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New San Carlo For MCR, Who Is AA Gill And The Council Scarecrow

Sleuth Wk 15: Food, news, nonsense, absurdity and love

Written by . Published on April 25th 2014.


New San Carlo For MCR, Who Is AA Gill And The Council Scarecrow
 

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Fumo For San Carlo

Sleuth loves the huge confidence being shown in Manchester from bars and restaurants. Latest city licence applications reveal Fumo, one of the San Carlo Group's brands, is aiming to move into One St Peter's Square. Fumo brings lots of San Carlo trading areas together, it'll be a bar (a 2am licence is being requested), a restaurant like San Carlo and a light bites location as with Cicchetti. Sleuth approves, an ambitious operator who'll deliver a grand design for an astonishingly good new building for the city - see the picture at the top of this page.

San Carlo Nosh

San Carlo Nosh 

CourthouseThe CourthousePatty Goes To Court

Meanwhile down on the southern part of Deansgate, a Birmingham company is opening in the Courthouse building. The Handmade Burger Co will be bringing their own take to the city on how to give us good bun action. They pride themselves for their handmade and pressed burgers and they've got units all over the country. Sleuth worries about places shouting about 'handmade'. Aren't all reputable makers of burgers making them by hand - or are some using prototype Japanese robots? Or their feet. The Footmade Burger Co. Sounds interesting.

Handmade Burger People

Handmade Burger People

Burger Bonanza For Those That Pine

The opening of the Handmade Burger Co means that should anybody have a Byron burger on the Deansgate/John Dalton Street junction and feel they miss those darned burgers after a fifty metre walk, they can nip into Handmade Burger Co for another. If then they feel like a burger top up after a further fifty metre stroll they can nip into Almost Famous Burgers in the Great Northern. Burger munchers of Manchester, you've never had it so good. Or so excessive.

Plastic Glasses And United

Sleuth is intrigued about a licence variation for Mulligan's, off Deansgate, on Southgate Street. Mulligan's is the best-known Irish pub in the city centre; leaving aside why Irish pubs can't just be described as pubs, Sleuth wonders why the policy is changing over glasses. From now on during United home games and United televised games it'll be plastic glasses not proper glass ones at Mulligans. Are management worried about a vengeful David Moyes swooping on popular United pubs to wreak havoc? Or is the pub worried about regular fans getting frustrated watching other English teams in Europe?

 Mulligans, careful during that match

 

Mulligans, careful during that match

And Then There's Wahu

More food and drink openings with Wahu in Spinningfields. This is a strange name that might mean anything - is it Hawaiian? The 98 seater will take over a unit on The Avenue, Spinningfields. Boss Jamie Barr, speaking in the MEN, said: “The Wahu brand will be the first of its kind in Manchester, with our design-your-own concept allowing customers to create their perfect meal. We’re focused on providing fresh, tasty and nourishing food; whether it’s a quick breakfast on the go, a swift lunch, or dinner and drinks with friends.” But that name - Wahu? Sleuth thinks it's maybe what people are expected to shout as they skip from the premises with their perfect meal. "Wahu!" 

The Avenue Leading To Wahu Site

 

The Avenue leading to the Wahu site

Sleuth And The Piccadilly Scarecrow That Has Opinions

Sleuth has to admire Cllr Pat Karney. The outspoken city council spokesman for the city centre is very direct, often very amusing and is a politician with that rare commodity, a personality. This means that lots of Mancunians who appear to love a whinge rather than give credit where credit is due don't seem to like him.

Sleuth admires that Cllr Karney talked to Confidential about Piccadilly Gardens knowing he would be attacked by certain ranters - click here. Then he suggested he have his photo taken as a scarecrow chasing pigeons off the re-seeded grass - see below. Brave indeed. 

Shame that at Confidential we inadvertantly sent out the story on Easter Sunday. As one wag said: "Easter Sunday with that image? Appropriate? Looks like Pat Karney is being crucified on Piccadilly Gardens."

Probably a fitting image if you look at the rants, thinks Sleuth...

Pat Karney An Easter Message

Pat Karney: An Easter Message

Sleuth’s Lies To Tell Tourists

Sunday Times food writer AA Gill is to be granted Freedom of the City. He will be the first food and TV critic to be granted the honour. A council spokesperson said: "AA Gill is being rewarded for raising Manchester's reputation across the country and the globe. We particularly admire how he has tirelessly worked to reduce the perception in the North that London writers can be high-handed, pompous and a bit thick. Through this he has assisted in the redevelopment of cities outside the capital and thus helped to spread wealth. He's a very honourable man and Manchester loves him."

AA Gill:

AA Gill: "Where's Manchester?"

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54 comments so far, continue the conversation, write a comment.

AnonymousApril 25th 2014.

Handmade Burger Co is not as good as Byron and nowhere near as good as Almost Famous. Unless they've changed it since I last went to one, you can't ask for it to be cooked a certain way as it has to be "cooked until the juices run out", meaning it's well done. Aside from that, it's not bad, but I can't see how they will do well with better options so close.

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AnonymousApril 25th 2014.

A waste of a very good unit as far as I'm concerned, site deserves something better.

Ghostly TomApril 28th 2014.

I'm hoping that this new burger joint, and the others in the area, will help Almost Famous rethink it's offering. While the food was good, the presentation or the 'concept' as the duty manager called is woefully poor. I was left feeling that it was my fault I hadn't enjoyed the experience. I'd like to see AA Gill in there, that would be fun...

SquirrelitoApril 25th 2014.

so if you don't rate Councillor Karney you're automatically small-minded and a whinger and deserving of insult from your editorial team. There's no 3rd way? Interesting policy. Should do wonders for brand loyalty.

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SleuthApril 25th 2014.

Sleuth has had another think about what you've put there and changed the words - made it less sweeping. Sleuth does think that Karney has become a target who largely doesn't deserve the opprobrium he gathers.

AnonymousApril 25th 2014.

The reason Councillor Karney attracts such opprobrium is his egregious self-aggrandisement. Perhaps he'd attract less flak if he used his profile to help the people of the poverty stricken area which elected him; as opposed to giving self indulgent interviews to the local rag and undertaking vanity projects such as the ugly and expensive white elephant which is the glass wall which runs down historic Canal Street. I'm not a fan.

AnonymousApril 25th 2014.

'Poverty stricken area' as a resident of said area how about you get off your own high horse and politely stick something where the sun doesn't shine.

AnonymousApril 25th 2014.

How lovely

Ghostly TomApril 28th 2014.

Saw Councillor Karney at the St George's Day Parade yesterday. He couldn't see the state of Piccadilly Gardens because of the sun and all the red and white flags being waved. Probably thinks it's a world class city centre open space....

Poster BoyApril 25th 2014.

Mr Karney might be " very direct, often very amusing and is a politician with that rare commodity, a personality". If only he would share it. in the Pat Karney column - 'Mr. Manchester'. It's just what ManCon is missing. You know it makes sense...

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AnonymousApril 25th 2014.

So is Boris Johnson. I still don't want him speaking on behalf of me. The only difference is, London elected Boris. Karney lacks this legitimacy, which might go some way to explain why the public don't worship him in the same vein as the local media.

AnonymousApril 25th 2014.

Except, he *was* elected, not once, not twice, but a fair few times.

rinkydinkApril 25th 2014.

Pat Karney is plainly embarrassing. His ideas are small town hell. Gangham Style at New Years Eve on Albert Square? Bog off, he deserves all the flak he gets

AnonymousApril 25th 2014.

Pat Karney has been the councillor for Harpurhey since 1832. And the good people of Harpurhey have been voting him back in ever since. Well, about four & a half % of them!

AnonymousApril 25th 2014.

AA Gill once wrote, in reference to a TV show: 'Some time ago, I made a cheap and frankly unnecessary joke about Clare Balding looking like a big lesbian. And afterwards somebody tugged my sleeve to point out that she is a big lesbian, and I felt foolish and guilty. 'So I'd like to take this opportunity to apologise. Sorry. Now back to the dyke on a bike, puffing up the nooks and crannies at the bottom end of the nation. 'So we followed Clare's muscular backside towards Ilfracombe, stopping on the way for an exhaustive look at a waterpowered lift and some views of a disaster. 'I warm to Clare as a presenter. Away from sport she has a comfortable, no-nonsense enthusiasm; when every other girl on television is winsome and coquettish, it's a relief to be talked to by someone who isn't flirting down the lens. Though I'm not sure this is much of a format. 'I'd like to see her as a sturdier Judith Chalmers, possibly in lederhosen. I wonder if the production team noticed that, even through three layers of Viyella and Gore-Tex, Clare has heroically assertive nipples.' Not my idea of the words of "an honourable man" and someone worthy of freedom of the city, notwithstanding that being a food critic has got to be one of the least merit-worthy professions going. FFS, is there no-one more deserving around?

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TimbucApril 25th 2014.

They were taking the piss. That style of writing when you say someone is "an honourable man" when what everybody knows you mean is "what an out and out fucknugget".

Hero
GordoApril 25th 2014.

Indeed, anonymous, we were taking the piss. Gill, in my humble opinion, is an utter c**t. He is what the word was forged for.

AnonymousApril 25th 2014.

Enviable diction, mind.

Astounding FactApril 25th 2014.

You can't believe people sometimes. How has Anonymous fallen for the joke about AA Gill?

Mark FullerApril 25th 2014.

If local comedian Pat Karnage can facilitate the transformation of Picc. Gardens then he will deserve our undying gratitude.

Giles HineApril 25th 2014.

I'm sure he's very upset and is crying into his Gavroche napkin as we speak whilst the Times pays for him to consume a very expensive bottle of red. I very much suspect I could quite happily be a c**t for the expenses tab that AA Gill has

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Baxtre FishApril 25th 2014.

Giles, oh hear, Gill can't trust himself with a drink and has been teetotal for years

Graeme WrightApril 25th 2014.

From the evidence of the photo Pat Karney as Worzel Gummidge is not only NOT scaring the pigeons but seems to be attracting them like some bespectacled pied piper

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AnonymousApril 28th 2014.

If he only had a brain ! dum de dum de dum

Pat KarneyApril 28th 2014.

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Pat KarneyApril 28th 2014.

Had probs posting I love the fact that this city is vocal and passionate about itself Personally i have always separated personal abuse from the right of people to have their opinions and views On Picc Gardens the feedback has been candid and creative and stimulating Most of the stuff i have had back has been about the the wall We are cleaning it this Tues and Wed for the first time in ages Hopefully all the years of grime and pollution will disappear I have been contacted by a lot of artists who like the idea of exhibtion space and sales space for their works If you are into this please contact me as i want to set up a group Generally if you want to chat about the area or have improvement ideas i will be in the cafe in the gardens on Sunday 11th at 2pm I will see if Kev,Joan and Beth are about See you then Thanks Pat

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Alex24April 28th 2014.

Hi Pat, As you can see from feedback in the recent Picc Gardens article on Man Con - many of us feel the current state of the wall is only part of the problem. The dilapidating seating areas, boggy marsh (the footfall of the area means it simply isn't suited to grass), lack of police presence, the fountain, and gambling arcades/bookies nearby all contribute to the strong feeling against Picc Gardens. My concern would be if an artist was commissioned to do something with the wall (a good idea) , the council would declare it mission accomplished. A complete redesign of the square is required - I have not seen one official say the truth so far that it's an embarrassment to the city centre and an area I have to avoid taking visitors near. I only hope in private there is an acceptance that an overhaul is needed - and not applying a bandaid to silence the detractors.

HbiffApril 28th 2014.

The man above has it right

ShybaldbuddhistApril 28th 2014.

I fail to see how this area of town is considered a success? Spinningfields, that's a success. As a Mancunian I'm ashamed of Piccadilly Gardens and avoid it at all costs. The wall is a problem but so are the rotting benches. The grass is a bad idea also. It can't stand up to the footfall and looks a threadbare muddy patchy mess most of the time. Add in the badly maintained fountains, the hordes of dirty pigeons and the mess they make and the drunks and drug dealers with the lack of a police presence and it's no wonder thousands of locals and tourists all feel the same way. A major rethink is needed with this but I doubt anything will happen. People will be listened too and ignored just like library walk which is a total waste of money.

AnonymousApril 28th 2014.

Having seen other Councillor's responses to this, I doubt this issue is being taken very seriously and will be minimal effort on the Council's part, misleading for maximum PR. Hope my cynicism proves wrong. Glad to be a part of the Library Walk group and have my invite to the Planning Inspectorate hearing scheduled for Tuesday 21st October, Mount Street. That waste of money highlights the disdain officials have for everyday peoples needs. Though I'd like to be optimistic on Karney's claims above (written without a full stop), realism and the irony of the whole issue of the 2002 revamp few wanted, leaves me cynical indeed. So many ideas, yet it seems most people think this is the bandaid/ PR approach and is not genuine.

Ghostly TomApril 28th 2014.

Sadly I won't be able to be in Manchester at 2pm on Sunday. But I have given thought to Piccadilly Gardens which should be a wonderful space we can be proud of but is looking its usual down at heel self. The temporary fences around what could loosely be called the lawns are not adding to the ambiance. I'm sure Councillor Karney will be checking back on replies and I hope he takes the trouble to click on this link... www.toms-travels.net/… It's my personal ideas for the area, I've mentioned the positive and tried to come up with some solutions for the bad. But, without investment and some good ideas this area will remain an embarrassment to the city and one that is best avoided and certainly not a place you want tourists wandering in to.

tblzebraApril 28th 2014.

Glad to say that the rotting wood of the benches has been / is currently in the process of being replaced. The litter is utterly horrendous though - here tis early Sunday evening twitter.com/…/460492985730621440…

Poster BoyApril 29th 2014.

Mr Karney; Transparency would be a start.

DavidApril 28th 2014.

Is there any leading Labour politician in Manchester that Sleuth does not think we should admire,and that is not a wonderful person?. Considering that they are awfully good chaps according to him its surprising that they so often do things like Library Walks and Piccadily Gardens that Sleuth complains about.

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Not SleuthApril 28th 2014.

"They are awfully good chaps according to him" - You'll have to remind us exactly what Sleuth has said about, for starters, Richard Leese, unless you want us to assume you're just making nonsense up as usual.

Not SleuthApril 28th 2014.

Here's a starter for you, describing Library Walk as "Leese's Folly", not exactly complementary. www.manchesterconfidential.co.uk/…/New-Oxford-St-Restaurant-Lazy-Mannikins-Leeses-Folly-And-Other-Stories…

DavidApril 28th 2014.

You will have to do better than that.Try looking up what he wrote about Sir Richard when he had to temporarily step down after the incident with his daughter.

Not SleuthApril 28th 2014.

How about YOU look it up and post a link, if you're so certain that it exists to back up your assertion? That's how logical argument works, David.

Not SleuthApril 28th 2014.

And if you can manage that, and do the equivalent for the rest of the leading Labour politicians, you might have a point worth listening to. Until then it's just baseless ranting.

DavidApril 28th 2014.

Manchester Confidential April 14th 2010.Headline 'Disaster for Manchester',referred to Sir Richard Leese as 'a visionary in terms of how he sees the city and how he leads the city'.Further''Our interview this year underscored his gravitas,his intellect and his compassion for the problems Manchester faces,whilst showing clear thinking about the direction he believes the city should travel in and a deep understanding of how culture,business and education can assist the city in attracting investment'. Even the Daily Mail never wrote such fawning writing about Mrs Thatcher and it's not a view most Mancunians would subscribe to about SIR Richard .

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Not SleuthApril 28th 2014.

That's more like it! Now how about the rest of the leading Labour politicians? Can you manage that too?

(TAFKANS) The Artist Formerly Known As Not SleuthApril 28th 2014.

So you don't have any evidence for your suggestion that Sleuth thinks that all of the Labour leadership are 'wonderful'? People from other parties are totally free to post on the website. That Labour councillors do so, and other parties don't, isn't a sign Man Con bias. But I agree that the apparent failure to actively reach out to other political parties on here does leave Man Con open to reasonable accusations of bias, and the usual response that 'no-one else has asked to contribute' is a bit of a cop-out. There was an interview with the Pirate Party a couple of years ago - we need more of this sort of thing.

BApril 28th 2014.

There was this on Confidential. www.manchesterconfidential.co.uk/…/Can-the-Conservatives-crack-Manchester… And something from John Leech. And the anti-frackers have had their say. And the anti-congestion chargers. And so on and so on

AnonymousApril 29th 2014.

Can't you lot just post something exciting? This is just tedious shite.

SleuthApril 28th 2014.

As the real Sleuth can the Not Sleuth person find an identity that doesn't actually confuse the issue. As for David, Sleuth and Confidential love your intimate knowledge of our gorgeously forthright and opinionated magazine - unlike most of the media in Manchester eh? Why don't you enter Mastermind with Manchester Confidential as your specialist subject?

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Poster BoyApril 29th 2014.

Starters for the race to the bottom...

sawyMay 3rd 2014.

Can Pat Karney explain why Bury New Road Strangeways has been allowed to deteriorate to such a level. I pass through here on the bus every day,and I am ashamed of the state of the place. The whole area is full of rubbish and cars parked on double yellow lines. Its been like that for years.

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AnonymousMay 3rd 2014.

Pat Karney - city centre spokesman and member for Harpurhey? Not really the right person to ask.

AnonymousFebruary 5th 2015.

It is the people own the shops along there they don't care. You are right though it is an embarrassment. Cheetham Hill is hideous but compared to Strangeways it looks like the Champs Elysees. Filthy people who live in that part of Manchester. Please don't tell me it's deprived. I was in Wythenshawe recently and the houses and the streets were spotless. Get some pride in your community.

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