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New Oxford St Restaurant, Leese's Folly, Five Guys Arrives

Sleuth Wk 9: truth, satire, plastic people and food

Written by . Published on February 28th 2014.


New Oxford St Restaurant, Leese's Folly, Five Guys Arrives
 

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New Oxford Street Restaurant

Kitchenette has arrived in Felicinis on Oxford Street, opposite the Palace Theatre. This is a new restaurant invention from the same people as Felicinis, who are also the same folk behind Mud Crab at Grinch we reviewed last week here. The editor got dewy-eyed over a staff member but thought the food lazy. Kitchenette looks like it might be more sparky, especially with dishes such as a soft shell crab burger with smoked bacon for £12. There are also griddled waffles and homemade oreos. It's a very broad menu. Confidential will go and check it out soon enough, although it may take a while to get through the four million dishes. 

Kitchenette menu

Kitchenette menu

Glorious walkwayGlorious walkwayLeese's Folly

Work is getting underway over Leese's Folly. This is the glass intrusion plus metal gates that are going to be strung across Library Walk, between Central Library and the Town Hall Extension. These will cost more than £3.5m, ruin one of the prettiest pedestrian through-ways in the city and all for no reason. Central Library will still have its main door and there's a three lane wide carriageway of access between the buildings at basement level. The Council are forcing this waste of money through despite countless objections.

Sleuth wishes the Council would sometimes listen to the voices of people who care about the city but stand outside their bureaucracy. Sleuth has a name for this ridiculous spoilation of a much-loved space: Sir Richard Leese's Folly (Folly: in architecture a building of no practical application often built for vanity).

Leese's Folly

Leese's Folly (graphic showing Library Walk blocked off with glass intrusion but cunningly not revealing the proposed iron gates and fence that will bar evening entry)

Sleuth's Most Laidback Mannequin Of The Week

This week's award goes to Dorothy the mannequin at Ryan's Vintage on Oldham Street in the Northern Quarter. As usual with mannequins, the naturists of the life-sized inanimate human form, she could do with covering up a bit, especially if she's going to assume that posture. Barry, the mannequin across the shop, couldn't stop staring. 

Dorothy takes a breatherDorothy takes a breather

The Man With The Wet Trousers

Sleuth attended the Bacardi Party, a food and industry party at Albert Hall on Peter Street on Wednesday. Bedlam. Followed by more bedlam at Liars Club which should rename itself Bedlam. Niamh of the Confidential office summed things up with the statement, "I was very good, I was home by 5am." Her gran might disagree with that statement although she made it into work for 9am which was impressive. Sleuth particularly enjoyed this fine use of a hand-dryer at Albert Hall. The origin of the action is lost in the mythology of mad nights out - maybe it was an exceptionally hot hand-dryer and the man was protecting his pinkies? Still an intriguing image all the same.  

A bartender's guide to hand-dryingA bartender's guide to hand-drying

Five Guys To Open Manchester Sort Of...

Five Guys, the American burger chain that has been much talked about in the south of England, is moving to Manchester sort of, well, to the Trafford Centre really. It claims, given the range of toppings for its burgers, there are 250,000 possible combinations. Shame it didn't come into the city centre but then again we are bursting at the seams (like our hand-dryer dried trousers) with burger specialists here. Still mall-culture eh? Is this a case of you can take the American out of America but not America out of the American?

Five Guys burgers - now in over 1,000 outlets worldwide

Five Guys burgers - now in over 1,000 outlets worldwide

Sleuth's Curious Enquiry Of The Week

Sleuth got this press release this week: 'Hi Jonathan, Hope you are well. I just wanted to touch base with you to see whether you have any plans to write a contraception piece in the near future?' No. Sleuth didn't want his base touching with this sort of enquiry. 

Rumour Of Shocking Deficiency In Hale

Sleuth is going to check this out but hears there's a shocking deficiency in Hale. The good citizens of the south Manchester suburb, after enjoying a convivial night out, have no port in a storm in which to retreat when the munchies take hold. Well according to a bunch of people Sleuth met from the well-to-do township this week. Hale has no kebab shop or evening take-away. Sleuth’s going to check that out next week and if so he might be making a business plan.

Sleuth And Mr F Sidebottom

Every seven days or so Sleuth is stopped in the street by policemen, concierges, soft shell crabs, Sir Richard Leese, five guys, trouserless barmen, wanton mannequins, base touchers and all the people in Hale looking for a take-away and asked: "We want to find a mural of Frank Sidebottom in Manchester, yes we do, we really do. Can you help us?"

"Why yes," says Sleuth, "that mural would be on a shop in the Northern Quarter on Oldham Street which features mannequins lounging on settees."

And to prove this he showed the policemen, concierges, soft shell crabs, Sir Richard Leese, five guys, trouserless barmen, wanton mannequins, base touchers and all the people in Hale looking for a take-away, this picture.

Frank on the wall

Frank on the wall

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92 comments so far, continue the conversation, write a comment.

AnonymousFebruary 28th 2014.

When are we going to wake up and get rid of Leese and the rest of that atrocious council?

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miss jeeFebruary 28th 2014.

I agree

AnonymousFebruary 28th 2014.

Renaming Library Walk, Sir Richard Leese's Folly? What about Piccadilly Gardens then? Leese & Bernstein's Absolute Total Folly? Or Leese & Bernstein's Yobbo Grey Rec? Or???

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miss jeeFebruary 28th 2014.

I agree

Mark FullerMarch 1st 2014.

Karney recently stated in the MEN that the council are aware that Mancunians don't like Piccadilly "Gardens"and the "Berlin Wall" in particular. But given the lefts penchant for brutalistic architecture and minimalistic design I think we're stuck with it.

AnonymousMarch 1st 2014.

'The left'?! Oh give over. Yes, socialists are to blame for Piccadilly Gardens. For goodness sake.

MFebruary 28th 2014.

RE Library Walk: I don't take any particular interest in politics but the way public opinion has been so blatantly rubbished and ignored around this has severely knocked my clearly naive views on the intentions of politicians and the way councils are run. I'm one of those voters who, if you could capture my interest, could be persuaded to vote for anyone with enough good ideas and intentions. The way the situation around Library Walk has panned out makes me doubt the whole system.

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miss jeeFebruary 28th 2014.

I agree

AnonymousFebruary 28th 2014.

Leese, Karney and co earn about three times more than David Cameron.

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Train fanFebruary 28th 2014.

No they don't. Silly suggestion.

AnonymousFebruary 28th 2014.

can you back this up with some numbers please?

AnonymousFebruary 28th 2014.

Certainly. As far as I'm aware Leese is on £230,000, with Karney not far behind. In contrast, love him or loathe him, David Cameron does more than give self-aggrandising soundbites to the MEN for a mere £142,000 while having responsibility for the whole of the UK.

Train fanFebruary 28th 2014.

Ha, Leese is on £50k and Karney behind that. Don't be ridiculous.

TimbucFebruary 28th 2014.

What a load of bollocks.

StephenMarch 1st 2014.

And your source of this (mis)information? Don't let facts get in the way of you're anti "left" whinge though.

Barry MaginnMarch 2nd 2014.

Sir Howard Bernstein paid £203,934 in 2013. Elected executive members are not technically paid a salary. They do get very nice allowances / expenses etc, but this is not a salary. And will be around £60,000 for the Leader.

AnonymousFebruary 28th 2014.

Leese and Bernstein do...Karney doesnt

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AnonymousFebruary 28th 2014.

Are you sure? I would be interested to see a full declaration of Karney's interests, expenses, fees, etc.

JoanFebruary 28th 2014.

Hi Anon. Councillors' allowances and expenses here: www.manchester.gov.uk/…/members_allowances_and_expenses… Declaration of interests here: www.manchester.gov.uk/…/councillors_interests…

AnonymousFebruary 28th 2014.

Wasn' Leese involved in the transport abomination which is the A6 near Salford University as well? When will people realise that even though you vote for them these people don't make decisions for you, they make decisions that they think will make them look better....

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Train fanFebruary 28th 2014.

Not really that's Salford so that city would have their say in that

AnonymousMarch 2nd 2014.

Looks like he probably was....

AnonymousFebruary 28th 2014.

To be fair the menu sounds nice if executed well!

Jonathan Schofield - editorFebruary 28th 2014.

Fascinating that Joan. So Anon there you have it Cllr Karney claimed under £23k last year. You can't even buy a duck pond on Parliamentary expenses with that. And Jonathan in the above rant could you give yourself a surname people are confusing you with me and thinking I'm schizophrenic.

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AnonymousFebruary 28th 2014.

But, as mentioned before, Leese and Berstein warm more than the Prime Minister.

Barry MaginnMarch 3rd 2014.

Leese doesn't Anon. Have you read none of the comments? And that's only if you mean 'earn'. Who knows who actually warms better between Leese and Cameron. And in what context? We can but guess.

AnonymousFebruary 28th 2014.

A Stopping Up Order has been issued to close Library Walk, if a number of objections are received then an inquiry must be launched by The Secretary of State for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs. This is an opportunity to review the whole scheme and our experienced legal team are confident we have a very strong case to present at inquiry. If you write a letter to oppose the Stopping Up Order we can halt work and trigger an inquiry. Your letter does not have to be long but every letter will count and will help us. The deadline is tight – we have until February 28th to act – and we have been advised against writing a pro forma as letters should be individual but here is a guide to what you could say. You need to be polite, concise and logical and make it clear you object to the stopping up order. You do not have to live in Manchester to have your voice heard. NB this is a different legal process to the planning application so any previous correspondence is not counted here, but you can of course, cut and paste from anything else you have written. I’m writing a letter on behalf of The Friends of Library Walk and am happy to send you a copy if you want to see. YOU MUST INCLUDE your name, address and the reference L/NJM/EVD5001/1080. State that you oppose The CITY OF MANCHESTER LIBRARY WALK FOOTPATH, MANCHESTER CITY CENTRE PUBLIC PATH STOPPING UP ORDER 2014 and include your reason(s) for doing so. LETTERS MUST BE SENT TO Liz Treacy, City Solicitor, PO Box 532, Town Hall, Manchester, M60 2LA quoting reference L/NJM/EVD5001/1080 The deadline for receipt of letters is FRIDAY 28TH FEBRUARY so please act promptly. Also let The Friends of Library Walk know you have responded so we can provide evidence of widespread public support. We are working with organisations including manchester modernist society, The Open Spaces Society, The Greater Manchester Pedestrian Association and The Ramblers Association and thank you all so much for your support.

AnonymousFebruary 28th 2014.

And incidentally the Cameroon is paid a MP's Salary as well as his PMs Salary and has a grace and favour flat in Downing Street.

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DavidFebruary 28th 2014.

If Cameron loses the election and Tory MPs he will lose all benefits except his MP salary.Contrast that to LEESE who has no such worries about losing his. Despite his totally lack of vision and total lack of management and media skills he will have had enjoyed this large salary for two decades. Can anybody really claim this man is anywhere near the best qualified person to represent this the second most important city in the country.Manchester should be aiming much higher than him.

Simon TurnerFebruary 28th 2014.

The two instances of the word "total" are redundant in your post David. You either have vision or you lack it. You either have management and media skills or you don't. I'm trying to be helpful as you spend a lot of time posting nonsense on these page and learning to be concise might free up some of your time to find something more constructive to do.

DavidFebruary 28th 2014.

The Labour leadership are more concerned with keeping their noses clean,to be candidates to take over from Leeese when he retires,rather than doing what the people of Manchester want and challenging the decisions of this man.They all know that given the Labour monopoly of power in this city,that whoever gets that job ,could be in power for two decades,just like Leese has been.No Mancunian ever elected him to be leader of this city,no Mancunian can vote him out.The man can stay for as long as he wants,provided he maintains the support of the party.Unlike Boris Jonhson or Ken Livingstone he makes zero effort to engage with the public and zero effort to explain whatever vision he has for this city. Before the next person 'inherits' this position from Labour there needs to be public discussion about changing this system.There needs to be a greater democratic accountability and some limit on how long you are allowed to remain in power.When Leese was accused of various matters in the past,the Manchester public had no say what so ever in whether he was a fit person to continue,this is clearly wrong.

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AnonymousFebruary 28th 2014.

No electorate can vote anyone out, that's not how democracy works.

DavidFebruary 28th 2014.

They can vote the Mayor of London out firstly.As for political party leaders Thatcher and to an extent Blair were removed by their own parties after three election victories.In contrast Manchester has had the same leader since 1997 who has been subject to neither public vote or party challenge.There is something wrong with both local democracy in this city and Labour internal party democracy when this man has remained unchallenged for nearly two decades.

AnonymousFebruary 28th 2014.

You're right you can't be voted out but you can be voted in. Leese is not a leader installed by the electorate. Because of that he's remained unchallenged since 1996. Bernstien is a civil servant.

AnonymousFebruary 28th 2014.

The people of Greater Manchester couldn't be bothered voting for a Mayor with power though. They were too busy wanting to park outside their workplace and being impressed by San Carlo to want more.

crisbyFebruary 28th 2014.

Maybe the people of Manchester can congratulate themselves on not ending up with a clown (plus eleven deputies) such as they elected in Salford? And Sir Richard does offer himself for election as a Councillor every three years; I think that does mean he was 'installed by the electorate'. Looking at how Manchester was back in 1996 I'd say he hasn't done too badly overall. (Oh, and Bernstein isn't a civil servant.) An elected mayoralty makes no sense unless it's for Greater Manchester.

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DavidMarch 1st 2014.

The city leadership before Leese had far more vision for the city.Both Bob Scott and Graham Stringer did far more back then.They bid twice for the Olympics and won the Commonwealth Games for the city.Key factors in the regeneration of the city.They were the people who built good relations with the Tory government of the time which meant after the bombing the city cente could be rebuilt.In contrast Leese puts the interests of his party above the interests of the city.

AnonymousMarch 2nd 2014.

In what way is Bernstein not a civil servant. He's an employee of City council and in no way elected.

AnonymousMarch 3rd 2014.

The investment in Greater Manchester's infrastructure back in the 1980s & 90s, under the Tories, was HUGE! Motorways, roads, the Olympic bids, the tram network (after Labour favoured MerseyRail and cancelled Pic-Vic in the 1970s remember), lottery funded projects (all curtailed by Brown post 1997), broadband cable, the rebuilding of Hulme and other inner city monstrosities created by Labour etc etc. Yes this city has much to thank the Tories and Michael Heseltine in particular for - including the 2nd runway, which Blair & Prescott wanted to stop. Prescott even tried to scupper the completion of the M60 back in 1997 too remember. For heavens sake, Alistair Darling did his best to stop Metrolink expansion also! Oh yeah, for Sir Richard Leese's beloved New Labour Party - investment in London & the South East was (still is?) the only game in town.

James SmithMarch 3rd 2014.

Anon - You forgot Brown pulling the supercasino. Didn't know Blair & Prescott opposed the 2nd runway. Got to be said that Labour does seem to hate Manchester and the North.

AnonymousMarch 3rd 2014.

Unlike the Tories who have never done anything like, say, disproportionately cut Manchester's local authority budget.

AnonymousMarch 4th 2014.

Remember how Tony Blair backed Oxfordshire over Daresbury for new DLS synchrotron facility too? (Fatally damaging the North West’s long term science base in the process, perhaps? Alderley Park et al?) And yes James, back in the mid 1990s MCC were "almost begging" Michael Heseltine & the Tories to make a decision on the 2nd runway, before New Labour inevitably came to power in 97. Because they were convinced Blair & Prescott were going to back Liverpool and scupper Manchester Airport's expansion ambitions. Just as Labour had done back in the 1970s re the underground railway decision.

AnonymousMarch 1st 2014.

I love all the green space in Manchester city centre it's just like Lond..ahhh

AnonymousMarch 1st 2014.

Walkway IS a waste of money..!!! What strikes me about Manchester, in contrast to Berlin where I spend a lot of time, is they fail to maintain things and waste so much money..Just look at all the new benches (AGAIN replaced in WOODfor some odd reason...The ones there are ROTTEN...) at Piccadilly Gardens...In Germany they maintain stuff and do not need to RENEW All the bloody time.....

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AnonymousMarch 2nd 2014.

Wood only rots if it is not maintained. If they had painted the benches every year with an all weather stain, they would be fine. Maintenance budgets need to be allocated to these schemes....but granted, Piccadilly Gardens in general is a disgrace.

David Michael EvansMarch 2nd 2014.

Richard Leese has been a great council leader...go to Edinburgh to see how badly a city can be run! There is a lot of silly fuss about the library glass link...the new link will be fine... the Library walk was 'pretty'? Excuse me? A treeless, flowerless, windswept soul-less gap between two buildings is pretty? I don't think so.

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DavidMarch 2nd 2014.

When Manchester won the competition for the super casino and then Gordon Brown to appease the Daily Mail just scrapped it,what did Leese do?.Absolutely nothing.He is a weak leader. On the times I have visited Edinburgh they do seem to manage to clean the streets which seems to be beyond Leeses capabilities.They have also attracted and retained a significant financial services sector with Standard Life,Aberdeen Investments etc,something Manchester has not succeeded in doing.

David Michael EvansMarch 2nd 2014.

Edinburgh City Council have totally mismanaged the contract to build one tram line...and it has cost around £1 billion, because of this fact alone. A large number of Edinburgh council staff have been arrested because of fraud, bribery and corruption in the statutory repairs system, with regard to repairs of tenements, which has resulted in overcharging flat owners by thousands of pounds. I agree that Manchester streets are filthy and litter strewn and it is a failing of Manchester City Council, but also Mancunians. However central government has practically wiped out the block grant to Manchester City Council, forcing drastic cuts in all departments...but yes there is practically no enforcement, a dirth of litter bins, and inadequate street cleaning. British people just drop litter everywhere. Just came back from Brussels...it was far far cleaner. There was uproar in Edinburgh last year because of the hopeless inadequacy of street cleaning during last year'sEdinburgh Festival.

AnonymousMarch 2nd 2014.

David Micheal Evans you're a soulless pedant. If you can't see the aesthetic charm of Library Walk, that's your loss. Other people have finer appreciation.

DavidMarch 2nd 2014.

During the majority of time of Leese leadership he had the supposed benefit if a national government from his own party.Yet Manchester had to accept The Scottish cabal than ran the party constantly favouring London and Scotland over Northern cities like Manchester.Leese was guilty of failing to fight for the interests of this city and being unwilling to publicly challenge his own party in a way that Ken Livingstone or Boris Johnson have been,to fight for the interests of their city.Leese is a terrible advocate of this city,he totally fails to promote its interests both nationally and internationally. It's true the planning of Edinburgh tram system has been a disaster but Alistair Darling when Transport minister was a disaster for light rail in this country,blocking any expansion.The previous labour Transport minister Prescott also failed on his promise to have a tram connection to the commonwealth stadium in times for the games in 2002.

Jamie CleggMarch 2nd 2014.

David you are an obsessed troll with Sir Richard Leese who might have got things wrong but has been a consistent champion of this city and battled for growth in prosperity - HS2 at present for example. How has Glasgow done any better than Manchester? And let's consider all of Manchester here including the incredible jobs boost at MediaCityUK albeit outside the formal boundary of the city of Manchester. Maybe what you should do is simply try and enjoy your city more, its museums, galleries, attractions, its restaurants, pubs and bars. Your views are unduly negative and unduly distorted.

Jonathan Schofield - editorMarch 2nd 2014.

James you're right. The ridiculously dark picture people paint of my city is from my experience utter tosh. David should simply get out and enjoy it, it offers so much. A few weeks ago another tour guide and I took out a couple of hundred relocating Auto Trader staff and they all - and I mean all - really enjoyed discovering Manchester and nobody thought it dirty either. As for Sir Richard Leese I think we've been fortunate to have such an erudite leader. I think at present over transport policy and over instances such as Library Walk it would not harm the Labour administration to respond to public feeling and reconsider. As Sleuth says above, maybe the council needs to show people matter outside the bureaucracy of the Town Hall. That said it alarms me on here that some ranters take a specific instance of criticism and use it as an excuse to deliver a bowel-blast of unhinged negativity about the city. Maybe we again need to consider the way people use these comment areas.

DavidMarch 2nd 2014.

Please how can Leese be an erudite leader?The man never bothers to make himself available to the media or write in it.Please can you tell us what is Leese vision for Manchester? Also Mr Schofield if you are being paid to show people around that venture that benefited from significant council funding then you are hardly a independent voice.You have a vested interest in not upsetting the council.

AnonymousMarch 2nd 2014.

And who is paying you to post all these single issue rants David? No normal person would pour so much time and effort into posting rant after rant after rant on the same issue unless they had a vested interest. Come on, come clean!

Gellato!March 2nd 2014.

A vested interest and/or mental.

Gellato!March 2nd 2014.

David I mean, not Jonathan.

Jonathan Schofield - editorMarch 2nd 2014.

David your tendentious nature is tedious. The Auto Trader tours were not of First Street but of the city centre and were organised by Auto Trader. They had nothing to do with the council.

DavidMarch 2nd 2014.

Not as tedious as your over the top tribute to Sir Richard when he stopped down temporarily as a result of the incident with his daughter.

AnonymousMarch 2nd 2014.

Who is paying you David?

Kite ChaserMarch 2nd 2014.

Holy Christ, you really are a wrong 'un David. What sort of obsessive would even remember that? Freak, or political agenda. Why are you even on this website if you have such a problem with what you perceive to be the editorial line? And if it matters so much to you, why not give your full name? Man up.

AnonymousMarch 3rd 2014.

David, I've attended a meeting in the recent past where Leese turned up, despite being under no compulsion to, because he wanted to speak personally to the audience. I'm all for more transparency and public justification from our elected representatives, but as usual this is nothing more than your standard obsessive bile, rather than any sort of objective view. JS is right - it is absolutely tedious.

Mark FullerMarch 3rd 2014.

Sorry.but i disagree with the overly personal attacks on David and it is highly unlikely that he is a paid troll.Yes he is obsessive ,but so are lots of people and they have a right to express their views.Re. transport:pleased that Leese and co are supportive of HS2,but given the recent skeptical utterances of Balls and Burnham. it's unlikely that Labour would deliver.

AnonymousMarch 3rd 2014.

Nobody is telling David not to express his views, just that his views are ridiculous and/or boring.

AnonymousMarch 4th 2014.

Mark - David is free to express his views as long as he likes (well, as long as the owners of the site say so, anyway). The problem is, it's the same thing day after day after day - it doesn't matter what the topic is, he'll find a way to shoehorn his favourite hobby-horse of Leese/Bernstein/Manchester Labour in. It's is utterly tedious.

moragMarch 2nd 2014.

Hello Sleuth Thanks to whoever pasted the Friends of Library Walk email above (for the record I don't post anonymously). As good folk have mentioned our love for library walk and our belief in the value of public space, twentieth century heritage and beautiful places is tenacious and we have not given up the fight. The final day for registering objections to the stopping up order was Friday and support was overwhelming. I'd like to say a heartfelt THANK YOU so very much to everyone who wrote to defend the right to roam the glorious Library Walk. We are now awaiting official confirmation of the inquiry and we need to keep a bit of our powder dry - but suffice to say we know that over 70 letters were sent which far exceeds the informal trigger point according to our legal experts and we are relishing the prospect of a fight. So watch this space for more details and thank you all again. For more information and to be sure of receiving updates please email savelibrarywalk@gmail.com Cheers Morag

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AnonymousMarch 2nd 2014.

I posted the email and you're welcome Morag. I delivered my letter by hand a few days ago too. I used to log in with the name [Manc Guy] but despite being a big fan of J Schofield and his posts, my account was deleted because this website didn't appreciate some of my posts that took the Mickey about their restaurant reviews ie. they were expensive places. Anyway, I hope Library Walk will remain open thanks to the active support of all concerned.

AnonymousMarch 2nd 2014.

That's definitely all relevant to Library Walk, Manc Guy. Good job. Don't ever change.

AnonymousMarch 3rd 2014.

Good luck

moragMarch 6th 2014.

Thanks all, we're waiting for a formal response but by rights there should be an inquiry. What Sir Richard has called "just the space left between 2 buildings" is clearly a place lots of people cherish and symbolic of some rather bigger rights to the city. Folly indeed.

AnonymousMarch 6th 2014.

I got a formal acknowledgment by letter from the town hall yesterday, Morag.

AnonymousMarch 2nd 2014.

Wow, David must have had a fantastic weekend what with all this ranting about his favourite nemesis, Sir Richard Leese and the local Labour Party.

AnonymousMarch 3rd 2014.

Just to say that the feedback from the people I know at Auto Trader has been awesome. Everyone I spoke to enjoyed the guided tours of Mcr. :)

James SmithMarch 3rd 2014.

Leese and Bernstein have been magnificent for this city but it feels like MCC just needs a bit of a shake up. Combine MCC, Salford, Trafford and Tameside - call it Manchester, get someone with a bit of political clout and move the place forward.

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Barry MaginnMarch 3rd 2014.

Good point. The political boundaries of the city don't match up to the economic spatial realities. It archaic. The outcome is a lack of joined up thinking with regards to initiatives to improve the city as a practical economic and social entity.

AnonymousMarch 5th 2014.

Couldnt agree more with David actually, so what if he rants? its a site for precisely that! However much it bores you? He is entitled to speak on whatever issue he feels is pertinent to the discussion. Thats freedom of speech which some countries do not have.Some folk on here are masquerading as average joes when they no doubt work for the council or are the council. Thats the left wing paranoia for you, they like to infiltrate and then report back to their leaders! Its truly laughable, its the only way they can run such a tight ship!

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GalutehMarch 5th 2014.

Oh dear oh dear. Yet another thinking that the right to free speech means the right to write whatever nonsense you like on other people's privately-owned websites. Sorry, you're very much mistaken - what gives you the idea that the purpose of Man Con is to rant? It's not. People are free to set up their own websites where they can rant and rave to their hearts content. The right to free speech is not the right to be listened to. Other people should also have the right to not be subjected to the endless half-baked drivel of the sort which David comes out with almost every day.

DavidMarch 5th 2014.

Assuming your argument was correct then the 'Left' should have shut up and stopped moaning when nearly all the national press were owned by Tory supporters.By your argument they should have set up their national papers. The press are supposed to hold those in power to account and help voters make informed choices.And they should reflect the plurality of opinion.Unfortunately that is not the case in this city today and it should be challenged,just as it was wrong when the national press was so biased against Labour under Thatcher. Saying if people don't like it they should start their is as ridiculous as people saying the same thing under Thatcher about the anti left bias then.Setting up and sustaining newspapers and websites requires substantial capital.

GalutehMarch 6th 2014.

Completely untrue and a completely false comparison. How out of touch with reality can you be? You can create a weblog for free in under 10 minutes: Blogger.com. You could post whatever views you want there, and no-one would stop you. There's your online freedom of speech.

DavidMarch 6th 2014.

You can create a blog for free but this website is not run as a charity.It survives from advertising,without sufficient readers it will cease to exist just like any newspaper. Comparing a blog with a tiny number of readers with this website and MEN is also ridiculous when it comes to press freedom.If all the major local publications have political bias in favour of Labour then the views over 50% of the city who don't vote Labour are not being represented.

GalutehMarch 6th 2014.

We're talking about individual freedom of speech, not press freedom. That was the point of my comparison - that nobody is being prevented from airing their views online, so nobody's right to free speech is being impaired.

AnonymousMarch 6th 2014.

Who is paying you David? I agree with the point made that opposing views should be aired and welcomed but the facility should not be abused. Personally I'm tired of seeing the conversation dominated by "David"'s personal agenda and obsessive behaviour. It actually takes away from my enjoyment of this site.

DavidMarch 5th 2014.

By the way what is this nonsense about privately owned websites.This website is not private property like a house,it survives by selling advertising and how does it get advertising ?.It gets it based on the size and socio-economic basis of its readership.If the only people who are allowed on this website are ones who share the political beliefs of the owner then let's see how long it manages to remain in business. Also the definition of free speech is not just hearing views you might agree with,it's about hearing the views you don't agree with.Only people of very weak faith in their political views are afraid of being challenged on them.

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TsinclairMarch 6th 2014.

We're simply afraid of being bored by yours is the issue.

GalutehMarch 6th 2014.

Not nonsense, it's clearly true that this site is privately owned, and not a public forum, and so the legal right to free speech is simply NOT RELEVANT. In practice, everyone's generally free to express their opinions here, but there's no obligation on the owners to tolerate people being a pain in backside. There's ways of expressing your views without being a bore, which you seem to be incapable of.

DavidMarch 6th 2014.

Every media organisation in the country with the exception of the BBC is privately owned.Yet none of them censor readers views on that basis,only on grounds of legality and taste.The views expressed whether right or left are far more scathing on any of them than this website.if it upsets you to hear someone you don't like then tough.If you want that kind of media then go live in Russia.

GalutehMarch 6th 2014.

But neither do those media organisations print or air every single comment submitted. There is a form of editorial moderation involved. The difference on Man Con (and online generally) is that there is little moderation - which you take undue advantage of to treat the website like your own personal media outlet. Nobody here feels threatened by opposing views - just irritated by someone who doesn't know when to give it a rest - you.

AnonymousMarch 6th 2014.

Who is paying you David? Or are you just obsessed / bored?

HbiffMarch 6th 2014.

Why not resurrect the general rant thread then when David, or whoever else, gets worked up about their pet obsession and goes off-topic their post can be moved there? It would keep discussions relevant to the article and not transgress anyone's imagined right to free speech whilst keeping all the loons together in one place where they can play together.

I SPYMarch 6th 2014.

I don't even know what this rant is about anymore. My beef is, pardon the pun, the Burger looks disgusting and The Kitchenette menu, subtle irony, looks like an ode to war and peace. What's wrong with keeping things simple, why do all the eateries try to be so clever. It's much to do about nothing. KISS!

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