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Video Fly-Through For Trafford Centre Metrolink Line

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Published on August 27th 2014.


Video Fly-Through For Trafford Centre Metrolink Line
 

HERE's the fly-through video of what could be the line from central Manchester to the Trafford Centre via Old Trafford and the Imperial War Museum North. 

If the funding is found and the planning passed we could have this in place by 2019/20.

At Confidential we love a fly-through, it's always sunny for one thing and you get to swoop and soar for another. As stated previously on these pages Confidential heartily approves of the plan, principally because we think the city centre would benefit more than the Trafford Centre as people would use the latter as a free car park. Although improved links to TC ain't a bad thing for them either.

The Imperial War Museum North (IWMN) and the businesses in Trafford Park would also get a boost. It would improve access on match days to Manchester United. Even the MediaCity folk would see an improvement, the current Quays line was given too many stops. It'll probably be quicker to take the tram to IWMN and walk over the footbridge at ITV.   

The new route will be 5.5km long and branch off from the existing Pomona stop on a largely off-street route through to the Trafford Centre.

The budget for the project has been estimated at £350 million and Greater Manchester Combined Authority (GMCA) officials are actively exploring funding opportunities with the government. 

Transport for Greater Manchester (TfGM), the agency who've produced the video, is currently holding a 12-week public consultation on plans for the new line, which closes next month.

There are six new stops including Wharfside for Old Trafford, the Imperial War Museum North, Trafford Park Village, Parkway, EventCity and the Trafford Centre - Confidential loves that Legoland at the Trafford Centre have got TfGM to include a Lego tram on this video, although the speedied up footage of people at the Imperial War Museum North is comedic, like a 1920s' silent movie in technicolour. 

The budget for the project has been estimated at £350 million with Greater Manchester Combined Authority (GMCA) exploring funding opportunities with the government. GMCA has already approved an initial £37 million of funding to get the scheme ‘shovel ready’, which included an order for 10 new trams to serve the line.

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108 comments so far, continue the conversation, write a comment.

AnonymousAugust 27th 2014.

Wasn't the Trafford Centre built to make it convenient for car owners by being located out of town, next to a motorway and with an abundance of free parking? Now £350 million will be spent linking it to the city with a tram line? Oh the irony!

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AnonymousAugust 29th 2014.

And the Ladywell tram stop does better food....

ShybaldbuddhistAugust 27th 2014.

Why would anyone use the Trafford Centre as a free car park if the metro joins the city centre to it? You can park at various places in or around the city centre from £1 - £3 for a full day. The price of a ticket on the Metro would be more than that? I like the idea of this line, although I see problems with the parts where it runs on the road. The area is gridlocked when United play. It only takes one idiot in a car to do something wrong and the line grinds to a holt.

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Trish KarneyAugust 29th 2014.

Ladywell tram stop is right off the M602 and the vast car park remains as empty as Almost Famous

AnonymousAugust 29th 2014.

And the Ladywell tram stop does better food...

Barry MaginnNovember 3rd 2014.

it's 'halt'

AnonymousAugust 27th 2014.

Nothing ironic about it, as cities grow things that were once "out of town" get swallowed up, this is a good thing. It'll still be just as convenient for your precious car only with transport links that open it up to be a valid area for more than just a hermetically sealed shopping centre.

AnonymousAugust 27th 2014.

Sucking more and more life out of the Manchester city centre. Do people go there anymore for anything other than the German Market, Primark or....er...no that's it! I'm sure the council will reduce the business rates in the city centre to compensate for the lost trade though....ahem. Then again, they'll probably come up with a case study showing that the tramline taking people away from the city centre will in fact INCREASE potential income for city centre business owners! (and before anyone says anything, yes I know the tramline will also bring people back in the direction of the city centre!) *ANON#1*

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SquirrelitoAugust 27th 2014.

"sucking more and more life out of the city centre"??? With all due respect, that's tripe. The city centre is pretty much hammered at all times.

AnonymousAugust 27th 2014.

Ah yes but so is The Trafford Centre, many stores at the Trafford Centre do better than their city centre counterparts, and more and more people are choosing to go to the TC for their shopping.

AnonymousAugust 27th 2014.

I agree with ANON#1. Squirrelito, I think it's the people hanging around outside the likes of Weatherspoons and Yates who are hammered rather than the city centre! The Trafford Centre continues to suckle at the teat of the City Centre.

AnonymousAugust 27th 2014.

Large numbers of people in Manchester city centre does not mean necessarily large amounts of spending,as can be seen by the large number of boarded up shops on King Street.

AnonymousAugust 28th 2014.

I've been trying to view a number of properties for the business I want to start and the last 3 have all gone before I could even see the place. Things are definitely picking up with King St

Obollox The GaulAugust 28th 2014.

"Boarded up shops" ? Get real, Anon. You've obviously not been to King Street in a long time.

Lisa KenyonAugust 27th 2014.

I like this idea seeing as I'm a city centre resident without a car who would appreciate the ease of getting too and from the Trafford Centre via a tram :D

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BullitinAugust 27th 2014.

If your a "city centre resident" what on earth do you need to go to the TC for?? Everything is on your doorstep!!

AnonymousAugust 27th 2014.

@ Bullitin That's what I thought.

AnonymousAugust 27th 2014.

I am also a city centre resident, unfortunately the girlfriend and I find it difficult to get our families or friends to visit us in town, they prefer to go the the trafford centre so we tend to get the bus out, the tram would be a far better option for us.

rinkydinkAugust 27th 2014.

Why would they not visit you in town but an out-of-town shopping centre? That's a bit bizarre and probably says as much about you as it does them. Bring them into town, show them round, sell it, change their minds... I wouldn't dream of meeting my friends and family at the Trafford Centre. Take them to Australasia for something to eat, take them into the NQ for a drink... Jeez.

My Opinion Is All That MattersAugust 28th 2014.

Rinkydink, Why are you telling people what to do? Just because you don't like the Trafford Centre you don't have a go at the people who do. Some people like the fact everything is under one roof and your not going to get drenched when it rains. And the Trafford Centre has shops the City Centre doesn't. The City Centre and The Trafford Centre are both great and are both doing well. Joining the two is a great idea. And it's not just about these two place,s people still need to get to the football & Cricket at Old Trafford, Media City, IWMN, The Lowry, ITV, Event City and so on.

rinkydinkAugust 28th 2014.

Um, where did I say I don't like the Trafford Centre?

AnonymousAugust 28th 2014.

Errrr......Why would they not visit you in town but an out-of-town shopping centre? That's a bit bizarre and probably says as much about you as it does them. Bring them into town, show them round, sell it, change their minds... I wouldn't dream of meeting my friends and family at the Trafford Centre....... Sounds like you love the place?!

AnonymousAugust 28th 2014.

In reply to above, I don't mind the Trafford Centre but my girlfriend and I live in the Northern Quarter and love it. Her parents however are Leamington Spa well spoken types who cannot understand why we would ever want to live in the city centre. We previously lived in Worsley and would go to the trafford centre when they came up. We took them round town and all they could see was litter, aggressive alcoholics and the empty shops on King Street, they also described the NQ as a like a ghetto. When visiting the Arndale the gf's mother commented that they had been spoilt by the Trafford Centre which was nicer and had better shops. My Own family aren't as posh but feel pretty much the same way as did many of my former neighbours in Worsley and my work colleagues in Knutsford. There are many many people out there who prefer the trafford centre, no matter how much I try to defend town.

AnonymousAugust 28th 2014.

I know exactly what you mean. My in laws come from overseas and when they venture into the city centre with us they are shocked by the litter and filth. They think we are mad to live where we do. I love the city centre but if you want to be as critical of it as some are with the Trafford Centre then it's filthy litter strewn streets, bad weather, beggars and aggro you can encounter puts a lot of people off, which I understand completely. It's how I feel every time I find myself at Salford Precinct!

rinkydinkAugust 28th 2014.

I still never said I don't like the Trafford Centre. i just wouldn't invite friends and family over to go there. Stop putting words into my mouth, anonymarse (thanks Maggie for that)

rinkydinkAugust 28th 2014.

And to the anon that I was actually speaking to - thanks for your response. I understand your pridicament better now. Although maybe they need weaning by taking them to the odd nice restaurant and/or bar. They might then understand how town works a bit better

rinkydinkAugust 28th 2014.

predicament

Simon BoothAugust 27th 2014.

Great - just get INTU to pay for it. After all, it is driving business - literally - to their doorstep. Why should INTU get the benefit of £350m expenditure to effectively take business away from the City Centre?

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AnonymousAugust 27th 2014.

You mean Peel and Intu. Peel should pay.

rinkydinkAugust 27th 2014.

He just means the owners of the Trafford Centre, pedantic

AnonymousAugust 27th 2014.

You don't think things through Rinkydink. Intu may own the Trafford Centre but not only are Peel major shareholders in Intu but own vast tracts of land in and around the tram line which will instantly go up in value when the tram link gets planning permission.

rinkydinkAugust 28th 2014.

I am aware of this and had thought it through. However I am not bothered

AnonymousAugust 28th 2014.

I doubt that. And you were bothered enough to stick your oar in in the first place...

rinkydinkAugust 28th 2014.

I was bothered that you were being a pedantic arsehole, as usual. I wasn't bothered about what you were saying, as usual

AnonymousAugust 28th 2014.

You contradict yourself.

rinkydinkAugust 28th 2014.

Your grasp of the language is pitiful

AnonymousAugust 28th 2014.

Why spend £350 million merely to inflate land values of several rich individuals.Is what Labour is about these days?.What about taking Metrolink to the communities in Greater Manchester who lack adequate transport links.

AnonymousAugust 27th 2014.

Take it one more stop to the Salford stadium - that plce is a nightmare to get to and an extension would create a bridge that would solve that situation

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AnonymousAugust 27th 2014.

I agree with this, I would go to far more games if it was more accessible.

Mark FullerAugust 27th 2014.

Yes , a very good idea. I love Rugby League, and I'm hoping that Salford will soon be as good as my team, St. Helens. The game needs a powerful presence in the Manchester area. I've never been to the Trafford Centre, and doubt that I ever will, I much prefer the mixture of history and modernity in the city centre. Manchester is a rapidly growing city, so I think that the centre will get even busier, despite the gargantuan Trafford Centre. Perhaps the competition, will spur the council to redesign some of the drab and ugly areas they have played a part in creating. The centre is also crying out for a large permanent food market: but where to put it?

Mark FullerAugust 27th 2014.

As a middle aged premature fogey, I struggle with Km's. 5.5 Km's, I guess is aprox. 3 miles? Anyway, please give us the mileage in future please.

AnonymousAugust 27th 2014.

Salford's stadium should have been built in an accessible location and not used as a form of corporate welfare for Peel Holdings.

SquirrelitoAugust 27th 2014.

The line was planned to cross the ship canal, seriving the CoS stadium, and terminate at the planned Port Salford. I can't see anyone stumping up the money to just link up a small stadium that is barely half full once a week / fortnight (depending on whether the the RU / RL seasons are overlapping at the time), its a political hot potato for Salford Council as it is. Sadly.

SquirrelitoAugust 27th 2014.

and I agree with the last Anon, the stadium location is dire. About as far from being in "Salford" the town as opposed to the outer reaches of West Manchester as it could be without being in Warrington. They should have built it on Dock 10 (? is that right), along from Mediacity, or even at Westpoint in Eccles town centre, when they had the chance(s)

BullitinAugust 27th 2014.

And in the mean time, once thriving shopping centres around Greater Manchester die a slow death!!! Stockport Merseyway for one!!!

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AnonymousAugust 27th 2014.

No surprise though is it? It's a dump.

AnonymousAugust 27th 2014.

If the Trafford Centre had been built a generation earlier when Manchester city centre was just as much a dump then the revival of Manchester would never have taken place.

rinkydinkAugust 27th 2014.

Oh yes it would. The revival has been built on living there, working there and leisure there. Not just shopping

AnonymousAugust 27th 2014.

No it would not because the bars and the nightclubs that led to residential development would not have been created in the city centre.Instead they would have been created in the out of town malls.

BullitinAugust 28th 2014.

I would suggest that a big bang in 1996 drove the city centre renaissance.... The TC is a soleless glitzy vulgar dump, with high rents that only the clone national companies can afford...

rinkydinkAugust 28th 2014.

It would have happened

rinkydinkAugust 28th 2014.

I moved to Manchester in 1994. Not to shop but because of the already burgeoning bar scene. For nothing else. Many people around that time did the same I suspect cos there was nothing else really

Katy GilesAugust 28th 2014.

Bulletin, the city centre is hardly bursting with independent shops. I love living in Manchester but the shopping when compared to Liverpool or Leeds is poor.

AnonymousAugust 27th 2014.

I would like to know how Manchester is going to sell the logic of spending £350 million of Greater Manchester transport budget on a tram line to the Trafford Centre,to those towns like Bolton that have been decimated by it.they are really going to be chuffed about the idea of funding a tram link that will be the final straw for their town centre.

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rinkydinkAugust 27th 2014.

I don't think a tram line to the Trafford Centre from Central Manchester is going to affect Bolton town centre, is it?

AnonymousAugust 27th 2014.

Apart from anything else,why should a out of town shopping centre be a greater priority for tram expansion than a town of 300,000 people with a very poor existing train connection to Manchester?.Its ludicrous that the likes of Bolton and Stockport should have no provision made for their transport needs,while the Trafford Centre is treated is a priority.Its time the towns of Greater Manchester stood up to the selfish self serving Manchester business interests.

Obollox The GaulAugust 27th 2014.

Eh? What's wrong with Bolton's train provision? Trains into Manchester about every eight minutes at peak periods, roughly 25 minute service. Even more frequent from Stockport and even quicker. They don't NEED a tram link, that's why they're not a priority. There is direct rail connection to the Trafford Centre.

Obollox The GaulAugust 27th 2014.

*There is NO direct rail connection to the Trafford Centre, I mean.

AnonymousAugust 27th 2014.

You are very much mistaken about the state of the trains.The train service between Bolton and Manchester is terrible.There is a total lack of train capacity.A lot of trains have been diverted by the Atherton line into Manchester,and so no longer pass through Bolton.So there is significant overcrowding. Also the changes Northern Rail are making next month,will mean the ending of all evening budget fares into Manchester,and anyone with £3.90 cheap day return,will be banned from accessing trains between 4.30pm and 6.30 pm.So anyone going into Manchester after 9.30 am for shopping will not be allowed on the trains for two hours

AnonymousAugust 28th 2014.

I've just put the Bolton to Manchester journey into National Rail, and there are 10 trains between now and 9am, and around 7 an hour throughout the day. That's pretty much at Metrolink frequency. I'd wager it's a fair bit quicker than an equivalent Metrolink service would be too.

Obollox The GaulAugust 28th 2014.

Anon @ 11.46 - I really don't think I am very much mistaken, the service I described was what I found when I checked it last night! All rail services are overcrowded at peak times, it's a national problem. Even the Metrolink is overcrowded at peak times. It doesn't sound like Bolton is suffering especially.

AnonymousAugust 28th 2014.

There might be 10 trains an hour during rush hour but you numpties are ignoring the fact they have to pass through other towns and cities before they reach Bolton on the way to Manchester and are hence already FULL.Burys trams start empty,because that's the start of the line and there are 100,000 less people in Bury.Before you start telling people that Bolton has a adequate train service try using it.

AnonymousAugust 29th 2014.

Those saying that the Bolton/Horwich/Chorley lines have great links have clearly never travelled it. From about 0600 to 0930 and again from 1600 to about 1900 the trains are excessively overcrowded, to the point where they can't actually force more people onto them. The rest of the time they are crowded; moreso at the weekends. They are usually full from Chorley onwards towards Manchester and from Piccadilly onwards out of the city, so anyone at subsequent stations have no chance. Since TPE moved onto the electrified routes, capacity has reduced even further, and NR can't handle the level with their outdated, old and knackered rolling stock. Friends and colleagues have now stopped using the train and are driving to Manchester saying that the journey by train is now dangerous. NR meanwhile posts 30-40% profits each year.

AnonymousAugust 27th 2014.

The other question is why the cost of constructing this line has risen massively since it was last proposed.It was nowhere near £350 million when it was talked about before.

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AnonymousAugust 28th 2014.

There's a little thing called inflation, amongst other things.

AnonymousAugust 28th 2014.

Inflation has been low for years.When this link was first talked about it was more like £60 million not £350 million.

AnonymousAugust 28th 2014.

There's some proper Trafford Centre Nazi's about! Some people have never actually set foot in the place yet feel the need to criticize it? I really don't see what the big deal is. I use the Trafford Centre and the City Centre almost daily. They offer different things to different people, both are doing well, both are busy, both employ thousands of people and both are good for the whole of Greater Manchester. I don't see how joining the two is a bad idea? The Trafford Centre gets bus loads of shoppers from all over the country, they can now hop on a tram and nip to the Quays or City Centre. It's all good as far as I'm concerned.

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AnonymousAugust 28th 2014.

'I use the Trafford Centre and the City Centre almost daily'? Hmmm...I work for a living!

AnonymousAugust 28th 2014.

Me too, which enables me to have a good social life, pubs, bars, restaurants, the cinema, live music, comedy nights, quizzes and a bit of shopping.

AnonymousAugust 28th 2014.

Whilst i'm in favour of this line being built, the idea that people on coach trips to the TC are going to get the tram into town is fanciful to say the least. Let's not overstate the case.

AnonymousAugust 28th 2014.

Is it any more fanciful of ManCon saying people are going to use the Trafford Centre as a free car park and use the Met to get to town? If a family come on a coach I'd guess quite a few of the kids would use the met to go into town. People could have 5/6 hours of shopping add then go for a nice meal at a proper restaurant at the quays or in town to finish their trip off. I don't think that's fanciful at all.

AnonymousAugust 28th 2014.

They're both pretty much equally fanciful suggestions. People who are going to spend 5 or 6 hours shopping at the TC are highly unlikely to bother sitting on a tram for half an hour to go and eat in town. They'll just go to the Orient.

AnonymousAugust 28th 2014.

I know if I was driving to the Trafford Centre or nipping to B&Q then someone I know would want dropping off so they could get the met into town. My mother and one of my brothers don't drive and if my partner or other brother wanted to drink they'd want dropping off too. Plenty of people who live near by would get dropped off by their parents or partner and they'd venture off into town. So all these cries of the big bad Trafford Centre killing the city centre are a bit pathetic. There isn't an Afflecks or NQ in the Trafford Centre and there isn't a Hamleys, Victoria's Secret or Five Guys in town. We have enough people using both for both to grow.

AnonymousAugust 28th 2014.

Why are so many stores choosing to set up in the Trafford a Centre and not the city centre?.Its not because they want to create diversity,it's because of a big failure of Manchester as a shopping centre.Loads empty units,especially on King Street or turned into soulless fast food restaurants.

rinkydinkAugust 28th 2014.

Hardly a failure. Could do better though, pehaps

AnonymousAugust 28th 2014.

If the custodians of the city centre cared about the way it looked as much as the people who look after the Trafford Centre do, then perhaps it would be a much more attractive place to shop!

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AnonymousAugust 28th 2014.

During the recession all the council saw city centre shoppers and businesses as a captive market to be exploited by ever increasing parking charges,in return for decreased services.They thought Manchester was too big to fail.Well the scores of empty shop units on King Street says otherwise.Are there scores of empty units like that in the Trafford Centre?.No because they care about providing a safe and clean environment for shoppers.

Ghostly TomAugust 28th 2014.

A score is 20, scores implies at least 2 therefore at least 40 empty shops. Are there that many? No. Last time I walked down White Stuff was opening on King Street and I got talking to a letting agent who was shopping another store to potential tenants. He wouldn't tell me who they were though. Manchester city centre is doing fine. Like King Street there are some empty units at the a Trafford Centre. Some shops close, others open. That's life. The demise of a Manchester city centre as a retail destination won't be happening any time soon.

crisbyAugust 28th 2014.

Good analysis Ghostly Tom.

Ghostly TomAugust 28th 2014.

Shopping = showing....sorry

AnonymousAugust 28th 2014.

Judging by all the downmarket tat,that Karney and Co have given peddlers licenses to on Market Street there vision for the future of this city as a shopping destination is more like Blackpool circa 1977 than Barcelona or Milan.

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AnonymousAugust 28th 2014.

Yes, I'm sure Mr Karney signs off the licences personally.

crisbyAugust 28th 2014.

Goodness, so much negativity! I know Liverpool and Leeds well and while both have their good points they don't quite match up to Manchester's vitality and variety, for all its faults. Our strength is our diversity and the complementarity of Market Street/Arndale, NQ, King Street (hopefully about to make a come back) etc. And the city centre and Trafford Centre complement each other too - it's Bolton and Altrincham who really got clobbered when it opened. Lighten up folks! It's good to have another tram line (which connects other places on the way, remember). For some of us who enjoy the tram, it at last gives a reason to go to the mega monstrosity. Not sure I'll get off, though ...

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Ghostly TomAugust 28th 2014.

Stockport has suffered greatly from the TC as well. And it's minutes by train from the attractions of the city centre? It should do well ringed by some of the most affluent postcodes in the city but it's not attractive. It needs to make the most of it's pretty parts like around the market and do something with the sixties shopping developments. As for metro developments I wonder if the time has come for a circle line linking places like Bury to Bolton, Ashton and Stockport and so on without going through the city centre? At the moment a trip from Bury to Oldham by tram means a huge loop via the city centre. Fun if you have the time but not time effective if you are in a hurry.

AnonymousAugust 28th 2014.

@ Ghostly Tom When I was a kid Stockport seemed like a mini Manchester. Now it's pretty grim. I think there should be a tram from Guide Bridge station to Stockport using the existing railway line. Denton's just not near Crown Point though. Also a tram from Stockport to East Didsbury. Open Levenshulme station on Stockport Road again. The list is endless.

AnonymousAugust 28th 2014.

Your dead right about Metrolink everything involves people going into central Manchester,and changing.Bolton used to have a train connection to Bury.The towns are very close and any tram line would be well used.Bolton should also have a tram connection as well into Manchester through Salford,freeing up a lot of capacity on the train network.

rinkydinkAugust 29th 2014.

A circle line would add a lot of value for customers and also operational flexibility. They should definitely consider that proposition

Trish KarneyAugust 29th 2014.

Peel should have been made to build a tram line to the Trafford Centre as a condition of being able to build the place in the first place. Meadowhall, built around 10 years before, also beside a motorway, boasts a train bus and tram interchange which not only serves Meadowhall, but the areas of Sheffield and Rotherham which it borders. Meadowhall also looks less like a tart's bedroom in Wilmslow.

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AnonymousAugust 29th 2014.

Trafford Centre is far nicer than that Meadowhell

Trish KarneyAugust 29th 2014.

Disagree. The Trafford Centre is tacky and overblown with all the taste and class of a drunken hen party marauding through the streets of Stockport. All that marble, and the "themed" food court - was all ten years out of date when it was built. Take a look at any of the Westfield developments, particularly the one at Stratford, and that's exactly the sort of thing that would have been amazing at Trafford.

Mark FullerAugust 29th 2014.

The Trafford Centre is my idea of hell: corporatist,narcissistic,shallow, materialistic,conformist,lacking any real connection to the locality, and so on. But at least it's nowhere near Rotherham.

Trish KarneyAugust 29th 2014.

...I would have thought the good people of Wilmslow would have been all over it then!

AnonymousAugust 29th 2014.

The fatal flaw of Metrolink is that it all revolves around the city centre of Manchester. True urban planning would look at circle lines at different points expanding out from the city centre. Investing in real park and ride facilities and making Metrolink a viable alternative (instead of sky high prices) would encourage people to switch from the car. If Greater Manchester truly wants to echo Barcelona and other great cities, it's time they started thinking like a proper urban authority.

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AnonymousAugust 29th 2014.

That would ignore the fact that the city centre is, well... the centre. Where most activities happen. Where people mostly want to get to. Circle lines are uneconomical for this very reason in a city region with a local population density.

rinkydinkAugust 29th 2014.

"city region with local population density?" wtf!!

AnonymousAugust 29th 2014.

Sorry, I meant LOW population density. Which Greater Manchester does have, compared to cities with mass transit circle lines.

AnonymousAugust 29th 2014.

Of the 2.6 million people in Greater Manchester ONLY 500,000 actually live in the City of Manchester.A tram line between Bolton And Bury would serve over 500,000 people.There are a lot of Mancunians who love the idea of a City region,but they are totally clueless about the rest of Greater Manchester,as clueless asLondoners are about everything north of Watford.

AnonymousAugust 29th 2014.

Greater Manchester is second most populous conurbation in the country,and one of the biggest in whole of EU.Low density it certainly is not.

AnonymousAugust 29th 2014.

Anon, you don't know what population density it. It's not the same thing as the number of of people. Go back to school.

rinkydinkAugust 29th 2014.

Agreed with the last three anons. Circle lines are the way forward

rinkydinkAugust 29th 2014.

Plus the original comment mentions circle lines extending from the centre - which invalidates anon#2's argument

AnonymousAugust 29th 2014.

For Metrolink to have a 'fatal flaw', it'd have to be a failure, which it quite clearly isn't.

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AnonymousAugust 29th 2014.

And also, the majority of Barcelona's Metro lines pass through either Placa de Catalunya or Passeig de Gracia.

AnonymousAugust 29th 2014.

Majority is not all and they have the additional train network of the city.Everything does not go to one place.You can get around without being forced to change in one or two locations.They also have a fantastic modernised airport,which we don't have.Greater Manchester is miles behind. on this.

AnonymousAugust 29th 2014.

Err yes, that's why I said "majority", and not "all". The closest it has to a circle line is L4, and that goes through the middle of the city. The Metrolink doesn't all 'go to one place'. Manchester also has an additional train network. Not sure where the airport comes into it (though T2 at El Prat is far from special). Seems like you just fancy a general whinge about Manchester.

rinkydinkAugust 29th 2014.

Why are you comparing Manchester and Barcelona? One is a major tourist destination and one isn't

AnonymousAugust 29th 2014.

There are some miserable people on here, the fact is the Trafford Centre is a huge success, it attracts a more affluent middle class shopper than the city centre and many of the stores trade better here too. I have many young people stay at the house from all over the world and they are always impressed with the Trafford Centre.

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rinkydinkAugust 29th 2014.

There's no doubting its popularity but at the very least it needs a major refurb. It looks tacky and dated. It would attract even more people if it updated

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