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VIDEO: Oxford Road Transformation 3D Fly-Through

Bus priority plans including 'Dutch' cycle lanes will limit general traffic along sections of Oxford Road between 6am and 9pm seven days a week

Written by . Published on November 19th 2014.


VIDEO: Oxford Road Transformation 3D Fly-Through
 

OXFORD Road looks set for a transformation.

Transport bosses have unveiled further plans for travel along Oxford Road, with the introduction of a 'major bus priority corridor' and 'Dutch-style' cycle lanes.

 “This is an exciting scheme that will revolutionise sustainable travel along one of the busiest routes into Manchester city centre."

The scheme will include 4km of segregated bus lanes and limit general traffic (between 6am and 9pm, seven days a week) along sections of Oxford Road to only buses, Hackney (black) cabs, emergency vehicles and bicycles.

The updated plans for Oxford Road have been announced as improvements come to an end on the parallel Upper Brook Street, which will continue to carry regular traffic to and from the city centre.

Before any changes can be made to Oxford Road, Princess Street will become two-way between the Mancunian Way and Major Street to provide a direct route into and out of the city centre for all road users.

Take a virtual journey and see the changes:

After the original Oxford Road proposal last year over 900 people gave feedback on the scheme, which were taken into account alongside discussions with stakeholders and properties fronting the route. Key changes include:

- Opening up Oxford Road to general traffic overnight from 9pm until 6am, seven days a week. Outside these hours sections of Oxford Road will be available for use by buses, taxis (hackney cabs), emergency vehicles and cycles only.

- Extensions to the ‘Dutch-style’ cycle lanes at two key locations along Oxford Road – alongside Whitworth Park and at the University Precinct opposite the Kilburn building.

- Providing zebra crossing points at all bus stops where there are Dutch-style cycle lanes so that pedestrians can cross the cycle lanes safely.

- Introducing service loops along Oxford Road to ensure that key facilities such as the hospitals, the universities and other businesses have the access they need.

- Removing the proposed bus lane on Booth Street West in order to maintain two lanes for general traffic crossing Oxford Road.

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Councillor Andrew Fender, Chair of the Transport for Greater Manchester Committee, said: “This is an exciting scheme that will revolutionise sustainable travel along one of the busiest routes into Manchester city centre, with better access to the universities, healthcare and businesses along the route.

“As well as speeding up bus journey times and improving cycling, pedestrians using Oxford Road will benefit from wider footpaths and safer crossing points along the route.

Sir Richard Leese, leader of Manchester City Council, said: "This is part of a major investment in our infrastructure that will help us make travel greener and more sustainable while also providing huge benefits for the city’s economy.

“These are exciting plans which will transform public transport in Manchester, making bus journeys quicker and more reliable, while also introducing Dutch-style cycling lanes which will provide huge improvements for cyclists on one of the country's busiest bike routes.” 

More information about the bus priority package is available at www.tfgm.com/buspriority

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140 comments so far, continue the conversation, write a comment.

AnonymousNovember 19th 2014.

Hopefully if there's very little pavement these plans will actually force cyclists to cycle 'on' the the road and the cycle paths instead of the pavements. Oxford road is notorious for pavement cyclists, despite how wide Oxford road is compared to other roads. I'm sure it won't deter them as they'll still have something to whine about. Probably that the cycle paths aren't cleaned enough.

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AnonymousNovember 19th 2014.

Regardless of how wide Oxford Road may be, it also suffers from a vast amount of taxi drivers and other vehicles who decide to pull up wherever they like - forcing cyclists and other road users to have to negotiate around them in what is often busy traffic, including s large number of buses. It's hardly surprising, in this context, that a number of people don't feel confident enough to ride on the road.

AnonymousNovember 19th 2014.

Taxi drivers, both black cab and private hire will regularly be seen doing u-turns and driving through red lights. The cars that pull up all over tend to be of German make and driven by Asian males. That's when they're not speeding up and down Oxford Road. Good riddance to all of that nonsence when the new road plans come into effect I say.

AnonymousNovember 19th 2014.

Second Anon, if you're not confident to cycle on the streets of Manchester it doesn't then mean it's ok to cycle on the pavement. In fact, you shouldn't be cycling at all. Be BOLD and be VISIBLE.

AnonymousNovember 19th 2014.

Anon 1 did you even watch the video? Look how much more pavement there is!

AnonymousNovember 19th 2014.

Great over complicate the roads.

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AnonymousNovember 19th 2014.

There's nothing in that video that strikes me as 'complicated' for any competent driver.

AnonymousNovember 19th 2014.

Did you even watch it?

AnonymousNovember 19th 2014.

Looks pretty straight forward to me.

Alex24November 19th 2014.

Actually looks quite impressive, good to see MCR acknowledging how important proper cycling facilities are to improve quality of life in a city. Hope this is the start of many designated bike lanes around the centre which don't stop 20 metres after they start.

Calum McGNovember 19th 2014.

Having just been to Berlin, where cycling is given far greater importance, I'm also impressed by these plans. And... I don't even cycle. Goodbye.

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AnonymousNovember 19th 2014.

It's a pity they didn't give cycling far greater importance back in 1939. They'd have been no match against the Polish cavalry.

AnonymousNovember 19th 2014.

The difference is; Berlin has much wider roads, significantly better (and cheaper) public transport, and doesn't close roads to cars. Many people use public transport in Berlin because it all uses the same ticketing structure, is relatively cheap, is coordinated and is a viable alternative to using a personal vehicle. Can't really say the same for Manchester

Calum McGNovember 20th 2014.

Anon 2 - I am talking about the cycling. Not the public transport.

Mark FullerNovember 20th 2014.

Anon. 2, devolution to Greater Manchester, as promised by George Osborne, could lead to a much improved and integrated system. Transport is a vital component of Manchesters' competitiveness and the re-balancing of the U.K. economy.

Duke FameNovember 24th 2014.

MARK FULLER, let's hope Dicky Leese isn;t involved, his last effort cost £3m just for a brochure about an unworkable scheme. He should have resigned over that.

Duke FameNovember 24th 2014.

Where are all the cars going to go instead of Oxford Rd, transport schemes must be joined up not just anti-car

AnonymousNovember 19th 2014.

Too many dirty buses for this to be classed as green. Get rid of them all and put a met line down Oxford Rd. That would be a massive improvement. Really pleased we are investing in cycling. A lot more people would consider it if it was safer. Schemes like this help with that.

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AnonymousNovember 19th 2014.

Where would a tram go? It'd be a dead end line. No further than MRI or Fallowfield Campus. If it's viable have it go all of the way down and link up with West Didsbury. The latter won't happen but MRI / Whitworth Park would be good.

AnonymousNovember 19th 2014.

Its one of the busiest routes in Europe for public transport. I'm sure it'd be viable. And it would remove the constant stream of buses.

AnonymousNovember 19th 2014.

Yeah...too many buses. Those blue Magic Buses knock out some right fumes too.

Another TimNovember 20th 2014.

All of the metrolink lines are "dead end lines". That's one of its biggest failings - no loops. cleveret.net/… As for the cycling? Brilliant. Well done TfGM for responding to the consultation where safer cycling options was by far the biggest topic for submitted comments (not the buses).

AnonymousNovember 20th 2014.

Re-opening Hyde Road and Levensulme Stockport Road stations for trams would be great.

AnonymousNovember 20th 2014.

"Re-opening" them would involve entirely rebuilding the stations and the line going there. Highly unlikely.

AnonymousNovember 20th 2014.

@above Anon 'Highly unlikely'? Did that not happen with the Firswood to East Didsbury stretch of line?

AnonymousNovember 20th 2014.

That section hadn't been fully converted in a popular leisure facility. It's also been built over at Fallowfield, and other areas where new houses have been built close to the alignment. I'm not saying it's impossible, simply that I can't see it being high priority for TfGM.

AnonymousNovember 20th 2014.

@above Anon if it continued on though, it would link up with the Hadfield line and perhaps Fairfield could become a train station for both. That would be great integration. I wouldn't want the Hadfield line to convert to Metrolink though. Open up the Woodhead tunnel, have the Pennine trains stop at Guide Bridge and then you're talking :)

AnonymousNovember 19th 2014.

Ha, I can already picture taxi drivers turning right out of Hathersage Road between 6am and 9pm. CCTV please.

AnonymousNovember 19th 2014.

Yet another ill thought through scheme which looks great on paper. Salford did something similar a few years ago and essentially forced cars down residential roads (with schools), clogging up major routes and causing traffic mayhem; all so the A6 could look pretty; a surface which has buckled and is now a hazard. Manchester is following the same route introducing a very grand scheme and simply forcing cars out of the way. This will serve to dump motorists onto already congested and residential routes. No doubt the congestion charge will return once these people have successfully created their congestion heaven and they can rake in the money from a privately owned, overly expensive public transport system that has no integration whatsoever.

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GimboidNovember 19th 2014.

Alternatively people could get out of their cars like they're being encouraged to do. It's not like there's a shortage of public transport provision up Oxford Road, and the less cars there are on the road the less congestion there will be.

AnonymousNovember 21st 2014.

Gimboid; a number of points in response to that. 1. Not everyone is able to use public transport. Disabilities often mean that public transport is unsuitable. 2. Quite a lot of people carry varying amounts of luggage for work - in the supposed "agile" office. I for one certainly wouldn't want to carry laptops, files and books around on public transport everywhere I go. 3. Increasingly people are having to use their cars as part of their job to travel about. 4. Why would I want to squeeze myself into an overcrowded hot sweaty bus/train/tram to get to my place of work? 5. Roads designated as PUBLIC highways are there for the use of all those who wish to; not subsidised companies who are making money hand over fist for a few owners. Public transport is not the be all and end all. People should be encouraged to use it; not have their journey made impossible if they don't. Manchester simply doesn't have a decent public transport system either in terms of coordination, price or even capacity; yet has lots of private companies making obscene amounts of money whilst the sheep are packed like sardines into old, smelly and overpriced tins.

AnonymousNovember 21st 2014.

Very few people are able to drive but not use public transport. Metrolink caters well for wheelchairs. I can carry 120 exercise books and a laptop on my bike no problem... and guess what... I can usually take my bike closer to my final destination because it doesn't need such a big parking space. I drove for 15 years then decided to try life without a car. It turned out so much easier than I ever even imagined. Also it has saved me a fortune and made me healthier and much happier after my commute. Stop complaining and give it a go. You will be surprised.

AnonymousNovember 24th 2014.

Anon 2 - I'm very happy that you find you can use public transport effectively. It doesn't work for everyone. The original point stands - people should be given the CHOICE, not forced out of their cars. I'm sure that cycling and using public transport to do the 80 miles a day commuting and travel to various locations throughout the business day will really work for me. To use public transport to get to the closest office to me (16.9 miles away) would require a bus, then a train, then a connecting train then another bus and take approximately 1 hour and 44 minutes (according to TfGM). The journey would take me 1 hour 23 minutes by cycle. The same journey by car takes me 20 minutes; 25 on a bad day. I prefer to spend my life doing things I enjoy; not travelling to and from work.

AnonymousNovember 24th 2014.

equally people should not be FORCED to use a car because alternative facilities are inadequate. Afterall, what is a cycle lane if it's not a "road" for bicycles. What is a pavement if it's not a "road" for pedestrians. All tax payers and all entitled to be catered for adequately. In that respect, and looking at the bigger picture (which is the healthy functioning of the city both economically and socially), the works to the A6 can be seen to be an enormous success. Whilst I appreciate that public transport is not a viable option for some people, the solution to that is better park and ride facilities together with investment in facilities that make public transport alternatives more reliable and comfortable - such as dedicated lanes. What is not a realistic option in a growing city is to assume that all road space (which is a limited resource) should be given over to cars.

AnonymousNovember 20th 2014.

Interesting to see the video includes animation of a cyclist choosing not to use the cycle path but instead continuing to cycle along Oxford Road, as cyclists will have the 'flexibility' to choose. So not only do they currently have the 'flexibility' of cycling on road or pavement [and in any direction they please] and the 'right' to ignore red lights, but they will be able to choose whether to use the cycle paths that have been made for them too. If those cycle paths aren't cleaned, swept nor maintained regularly cyclists will soon stop using them. The London Road 'one way' cycle path [UMIST side] is the perfect example of this. Cyclists cycle both ways up and down it and often on the pavement alongside it at speed. It's cleared of leaves and litter once a year.

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Another TimNovember 20th 2014.

Highway code point 61 explicitly states that cyclists aren't obliged to use the facilities provided for them. "Use of these facilities is not compulsory and will depend on your experience and skills" www.gov.uk/…/overview-59-to-71… This is the same as pedestrians being legally allowed to walk on the road if they wanted (no jaywalking law here). Of course cyclists aren't legally allowed on (most) pavements or through red lights, but the key is to provide cycling facilities that are convenient and pleasant enough that cyclists will choose to use them (including keeping them clear). No point telling cyclists where they can't go, if you haven't provided somewhere they can go. A bit more carrot and a bit less stick please! But these proposals look like they could be the best in Manchester.

AnonymousNovember 20th 2014.

'No point telling cyclists where they can't go, if you haven't provided somewhere they can go.' Sounds like the excuse a skateboarder would give eg. the new cenotaph location!

AnonymousNovember 20th 2014.

Only if the skateboarder was trying to advance an utterly stupid and fatuous argument.

AnonymousNovember 20th 2014.

The thing is, Manchester's skateboarding community agrees with him along with the skateboard retailers. I have to say I don't feel for their first world woes.

Another TimDecember 10th 2014.

If there are sufficiently large numbers of people wanting to skateboard, and it's seen to be socially beneficial (exercise, community, etc) then certainly there are arguments for dedicated public skate facilities. Lots of people already cycle on Oxford Road. Far more would like to. And the social benefits of active sustainable travel are overwhelming. Have you seen the articles about the horrific effects of urban air pollution recently?

Kevin PeelNovember 20th 2014.

Much improved on the original proposals. Really positive first step in a revolution of road space we need in our city. Can't be the end though, we need much better integration and connectivity between existing cycle networks and significant improvements across the city centre.

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AnonymousNovember 20th 2014.

What we really need in this part of the city is an elevated railway / underground system which integrates into the Metrolink network.

AnonymousNovember 20th 2014.

Anon, agree 100%

AnonymousNovember 20th 2014.

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AnonymousNovember 20th 2014.

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AnonymousNovember 20th 2014.

Very pretty. Great when playing Sim City, but there's no room in city centre for them.

AnonymousNovember 20th 2014.

Course there is.

AnonymousNovember 20th 2014.

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AnonymousNovember 20th 2014.

If London can have the Tube, Elevated Railways, Trams and a Cable Car I don't see why Manchester can't have one section of underground / elevated railway.

AnonymousNovember 21st 2014.

Underground? Imagine the scrotes and homeless types that an underground in Manchester would attract! No thank you.

AnonymousNovember 21st 2014.

Are you stupid what people stay London Underground at night,it would be freezing and dark to be there at night after station closed and you need money access in first place unlike getting on tram .

AnonymousNovember 21st 2014.

^ The kind of small minded mentality that holds the city back.

AnonymousNovember 21st 2014.

'after station closed'? Are you assumng they'll just turn the lights off and lock the doors until 7am? No point in building an underground unless it's open.

Another TimDecember 10th 2014.

www.youtube.com/watch…

AnonymousDecember 10th 2014.

Works fine in London www.youtube.com/watch…

AnonymousNovember 20th 2014.

Small but possibly important point regarding 'Princess Street will become two-way between the Mancunian Way and Major Street' - why would it stop at Major Street, why not go on a few extra yards to the main Portland St junction?

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AnonymousNovember 20th 2014.

I thought that, but that Portland Street junction's busy enough and returning a two way dimension to it would be a nightmare. Major Street's narrow though, so I don't know how it would work, especially if you could turn left onto Sackville Street. That would be a bottle neck. Who'd be using it? Just taxis?

AnonymousNovember 25th 2014.

I wonder if the unused Mancunian way exit will finally be opened now that the traffic will continue into the city aloong Upper Brook Street at that point.

Trish KarneyNovember 20th 2014.

Oxford Road Station to Wilmslow Road is begging for a Met line The number of buses serving that route is nothing short of a farce, and clogs up the road. Get the Universities to put their hands in their pockets though, as this will benefit "gown" much more than "town". Then ban all the blooming buses. Manchester needs London style bus regulation rather than the free-for-all which currently exists.

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AnonymousNovember 20th 2014.

It would make more sense for the link to start on St. Peter's Square.

AnonymousNovember 20th 2014.

Like it did in the olden days

AnonymousNovember 24th 2014.

This is more of a priority than the second city crossing in my view. A met line to the university and the MRI must surely be the next project. This would also incorporate Oxford Road station which is currently the only station not served by the Met.

AnonymousNovember 24th 2014.

Let us hope that the two-wheeled fascists actually stick to the cycle lanes rather than wobbling about in front of motorists without a signal. These people are morons. No respect for anyone else using the roads. Even worse those dreadful Gucci socialists from Chorlton who insist on taking their children around in a basket on the back of the bike. God spare us from that breed.

AnonymousNovember 24th 2014.

Oh dear. Looks like last anon above is getting increasingly frustrated about sitting in traffic jams in their cock-extension of a car. Diddums.

AnonymousNovember 24th 2014.

Anon @ 1.11 have a look at the link below. You'll see cyclists have no option but to go around buses and be in the way of traffic. Green strips of Tarmac are no good. They don't pretect the cyclist or the motorist. Totally seperate lanes just for cyclists are needed.

George EdwardsNovember 20th 2014.

I'm also concerned with the two way Princess st part as that means all car traffic will now come down Whitworth st which will lead to a massive bottle neck near Sackville Gardens, which is getting bad at the moment come rush hour.

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AnonymousNovember 20th 2014.

Think about the Whitworth/Princess Street junction on the hill. That's going to be busy.

AnonymousNovember 22nd 2014.

let's all cycle to work lol

rinkydinkNovember 22nd 2014.

It looks good but if you Google 'elevated cycle ways London' it looks shite compared to what they've got coming. Plus it's one road. It needs to be a network but it's a start I guess

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EdwardNovember 22nd 2014.

I doubt SkyCycle will ever happen though. The costs are huge and there wouldn't be enough access points apparently.

rinkydinkNovember 22nd 2014.

True. I appreciate the ambition though

rinkydinkNovember 22nd 2014.

Isn't it 200 million to build? Peanuts for London

ShyBaldBuddhistNovember 23rd 2014.

Interesting take on the plans. I agree with pretty much all of it. www.youtube.com/…/oD709NSsZ-8…

AnonymousNovember 24th 2014.

In reference to cock-extention. I am actually a woman, so stick to buying your food from co-operatives and calling your children after flowers rather than trying to be witty(Little Violet has really struggled at his new school). Cyclists should be culled en masse. They are rude,obnoxious and the worst crime of all dishonest(Bleating on about carbon emissions does not stop them flying here there and everywhere in planes.Why not cycle to Rhyl if you are so concerned about the environment for your annual jaunt.Oh sorry it doesn't have the same appeal as Lake Como does it) .The poor in our country are having to go to foodbanks to feed their children because of this green gestapo and the levies that they have forced industry to put on domestic bills. They are the problem,not carbon emissions.

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AnonymousNovember 24th 2014.

I'm pretty sure people cycling to work isn't causing food poverty. You've made something of a leap in logic here.

rinkydinkNovember 24th 2014.

That's the pottiest post I have seen today

AnonymousNovember 24th 2014.

Nurse! She's on the internet again!

rinkydinkNovember 24th 2014.

Time for another dose

GREEN GESTAPONovember 24th 2014.

I think this deserves a prize for the thickest post ever on Man Con. Can't morons like you stick to commenting on the Evening News?

AnonymousNovember 24th 2014.

True about the Levies though.

AnonymousNovember 24th 2014.

There shouold be two or three bus companies, with a structured fayre system, all with vehicles that comply to certain emission standards. Anyway from my office window I see cyclists everyday on the pavement, knocking pedestrians over, crashing to to prams and wheelchairs. I even had to call an ambulance because a cyclist crashed in to a pregnant woman. They didn't stop, appologise, check on her. They were in full cycle protection gear with helmet knee and elbow pads etc, got back on their bike and was gone. Are pedestrians going to have to start wearing protection gear? I am a cyclist, and by no means a perfet one, and yes more cycle lanes would be nice, but when I am on the road I obey the rules of the road as EVERYONE using it should do. I cycle because I choose to and shouldn't expect special treatment because of it.

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AnonymousNovember 24th 2014.

I always find it amazing how many people seem to see so many accidents caused by cyclists, yet never seem to mention seeing accidents caused by motor vehicles, despite the statistics showing that there is a far greater number of the latter than the former...

Adam RigbyNovember 24th 2014.

OH I agree there are more car accidents I don't dispute that, however the vast majority of them happen on the road. If I am a pedestrian walking across the road at least I am looking out for cars, vans, buses etc. If I am a pedestrian on the pavement I wouldn't be looking out for near silent cyclist flying past at 15/20mph. Surely a pedestrian on the pavement should be allowed to feel relatively safe from being run over.

Simon TurnerNovember 25th 2014.

Is there a fly-through video of Upper Brook St where all the cars are being diverted along? Or would that be not such a pretty sight!??

AnonymousNovember 30th 2014.

Mr Rigby, whilst you can flail around on your precious pathway, pedestrians are not angels. On the cycle path alongside Whitworth Art Gallery, cyclists have to play chicken everyday with pedestrians that happily flap around in the middle of the cycle lane. There is a pavement parallel to it and yet no one decides to use it. We are all as bad as each other.

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AnonymousDecember 1st 2014.

No we are not.Too many cyclists deliberately cycle on pavements and expect pedestrians to get out the way.Of course it seems cyclists use their bad experience of motorists treating them badly to justify their arrogant and dangerous behaviour on pavements.To often cyclists ride full speed on pavements,behind pedestrians who are blind to to their rapid approach.Its time cyclists were prosecuted and heavily fined for riding on pavements. The reason pedestrians end up that cycle path is because it's ridiculoussly put in the middle of the pavement and not well signed,it should be alongside the road,not bisecting the pavement.

AnonymousDecember 1st 2014.

University area cycle paths are often walked along by foreign students, especially Chinese studetns under the Mancunian Way. Event when cyclists are approaching them pinging bells they either still don't move or do so at the last second. Surprising really, considering where they come from. You'd think they'd be cycle aware.

AnonymousDecember 1st 2014.

Your racial stereotypes about China are hopelessly about 30 years out of date,if you think they full people cycling to work.For one Chinese cities have huge wide roads,full of large cars and second the level of pollution is so toxic in Chinese cities,that only your lungs,but your clothes would be polluted by the terrible haze.No one in their right mind would cycle in those conditions.

AnonymousDecember 1st 2014.

Anybody who cycles on a pavement should expect no pedestrians to get out of way.In fact they should be told to f**ck off back where they belong on the road or cycle paths.Pedestrians should not be expected to dodge,speeding,arrogant cyclists.They may not be going as fast as a car,but they going fast enough to inflict damage if hit pedestrians.Pavements are not for cars or cyclists.

AnonymousDecember 9th 2014.

The ’Dutch- style’ paths have been designed with sufficient width to enable them to be regularly cleaned by street cleaning machine. There will be CCTV along the route and this will be supported by ANPR (Automatic number plate recognition) to use on any vehicles that transgress during the restricted time. The enforcement will be carried out by Manchester City Council’s enforcement team.

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AnonymousDecember 10th 2014.

But these plans don't meet Dutch standards.

AnonymousDecember 10th 2014.

...and they are of Dutch 'style' and this is the UK!!!

AnonymousDecember 11th 2014.

Dutch style with all the safety removed, where you are on the same bit of tarmac as all other vehicles and have to go round buses at points, sandwiched between traffic. Not safe at all. A bit of green tarmac will not stop cyclists getting knocked down. It needs to be a totally separate lane, free of pedestrians and traffic like you get in mainland Europe.

AnonymousDecember 10th 2014.

When are we going to fill the canals in and use them as cycle paths? They are only used by hobbyists with houseboats these days. Plus less people will fall in and drown.

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GREEN GESTAPODecember 10th 2014.

It would be cheaper and more sensible just to make the towpaths fit for cycling, if they're not already.

AnonymousDecember 10th 2014.

There not wide enough in many places. Also it wouldn't be sensible due to the deep canal full of stagnant water right next to the path.

GREEN GESTAPODecember 10th 2014.

Nah that's balls, loads of people use towpaths already and manage not to fall in. If you can't control a bike comfortably, don't cycle there.

AnonymousDecember 10th 2014.

Ok well don't expect any sympathy if you or family member ever has an accident on a bike. Like I said the canal-ways are underused - make them cycle paths and it will benefit the whole city.

GREEN GESTAPODecember 10th 2014.

The only way to have a bike accident on a towpath is through your own negligence, so if that happened to me I wouldn't expect any sympathy.

rinkydinkDecember 10th 2014.

I think most sane people would say that a cycle path next to a canal is a fucking ludicrous idea

GREEN GESTAPODecember 10th 2014.

Think harder then Rinkydink, many people use them without any problem. Or just give it a try for yourself before spouting off.

rinkydinkDecember 10th 2014.

Nah, shite idea

GREEN GESTAPODecember 10th 2014.

Not up to your usual well-reasoned standard, Rinkydink. Engage your brain or shush.

GREEN GESTAPODecember 10th 2014.

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GREEN GESTAPODecember 10th 2014.

Personally speaking I commuted along the Bridgewater Canal between Stretford and Altrincham for several weeks... I didn't fall in ONCE! Hard to believe I know.

rinkydinkDecember 10th 2014.

There is no room for bikes on many canal paths in town and if the bikes hit an obstacle or or the rider is distracted, the paths are so near to the canal that the rider might fall in. Sounds reasonable enough to me

GREEN GESTAPODecember 10th 2014.

If you can't cycle without hitting objects in your path or getting distracted, you're going to have a problem sooner or later whether you're beside the canal or not. So don't cycle.

AnonymousDecember 10th 2014.

The last time I walked along a towpath a gay man bummed me.

rinkydinkDecember 10th 2014.

That is a ridiculous rationale and if you follow that train of thought through it means that anyone that has been involved in car crash/accident only have themselves to blame. Human beings are fallible. We make mistakes. I'm sure even you do sometimes, Green

GREEN GESTAPODecember 10th 2014.

There aren't any cars on a cycle path. How is it possible to have a cycling accident on a towpath other than through your own carelessness?

rinkydinkDecember 10th 2014.

You're taking what I said literally. Aside from the fact that there will be pedestrians using the path who are prone to random unpredictable movements causing a potential collision or swerving into the canal to avoid it, I'm assuming there will be other bikes on the path? The bike in font of you stops suddenly? You swerve to miss it? Plop, into canal

GREEN GESTAPODecember 10th 2014.

Well I can't speak for how any other cyclists conduct themselves to deal with potential (foreseeable hazards), but as I said earlier, when I've cycled towpaths I've not fallen in the water.

rinkydinkDecember 11th 2014.

Basically all of the potential hazards that there are with traveling at speed are still there. Except instead of swerving or crashing into cars, you fall into the canal. You're idea would be ok if the towpaths were widened for mass use, cyclists segregated from pedestrians, lanes installed for opposite directions and barriers erected between the lanes and the canal but I really can't see all of that happening. You might be cycling in towpaths at the moment but this is probably somewhere suburban with few fellow cyclists about

rinkydinkDecember 11th 2014.

Your not you're. Ugh I hate that mistake. And on not in

AnonymousDecember 10th 2014.

'The only way to have a bike accident on a towpath is through your own negligence' there are loads of ways accidents happen on bikes. On a street you can turn onto the pavement not so on a canal path.

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GREEN GESTAPODecember 10th 2014.

Loads of ways? On a towpath? Like what?

AnonymousDecember 10th 2014.

Exactly that's why it would be better to have them filled in. It would also increase capacity immensely.

GREEN GESTAPODecember 10th 2014.

I don't think there's a problem with capacity as things stand. Unfortunately, the canals don't seem to connect many places that lots of people want to cycle between. Not a good cost-benefit as I see it.

AnonymousDecember 11th 2014.

You can't just fill canals in, they have become part of the drainage pattern for the city. Filling them in will cause flooding in other areas. It does rain a bit in Manchester and more so in the hills behind the city. All that water flowing through the city has to go somewhere. The city doesn't have many floods but doesn't have them for a reason. And the canal system is part of the reason.

AnonymousDecember 10th 2014.

You're not thinking city centre. Cycling from Oxford Rd Station to Piccadilly would probably be quicker than car even at rush hour using the canal.

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GREEN GESTAPODecember 10th 2014.

Actually, yeah. Nipping along the Rochdale Canal, say, between Castlefield and the Northern Quarter without tussling with buses would be pretty sweet. Fair enough.. I still think it would be better to keep the water and incorporate bike paths some other way.

rinkydinkDecember 10th 2014.

Ah but that'd be your own stupid fault wouldn't it, no doubt

EdwardDecember 10th 2014.

Could possibly fit trams down c2.staticflickr.com/…/5210974061_da59f26936_z.jpg…

AnonymousDecember 10th 2014.

Rink

rinkydinkDecember 10th 2014.

Yes dear?

AnonymousDecember 10th 2014.

'Nipping along the Rochdale Canal, say, between Castlefield and the Northern Quarter '? Is that a route for thousands of cyclists?

AnonymousDecember 10th 2014.

Thousands per what - Day? Hour? Minute?

AnonymousDecember 10th 2014.

Hardly a much needed cycle route is it FFS?

GREEN GESTAPODecember 10th 2014.

'Is that a route for thousands of cyclists?' No, it's a bit too wet you see.

GREEN GESTAPODecember 10th 2014.

Stop being thick Anon. Such a route would provide a car-free path connecting all points in between, across the southern part of the core of the city.

AnonymousDecember 10th 2014.

'the southern part of the core of the city'? ROFLPIMP!

GREEN GESTAPODecember 10th 2014.

I said, STOP BEING THICK.

AnonymousDecember 10th 2014.

OMG! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

rinkydinkDecember 10th 2014.

dalstonist.co.uk/…/…

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AnonymousDecember 10th 2014.

The ’Dutch- style’ paths have been designed with sufficient width to enable them to be regularly cleaned by street cleaning machine. There will be CCTV along the route and this will be supported by ANPR (Automatic number plate recognition) to use on any vehicles that transgress during the restricted time. The enforcement will be carried out by Manchester City Council’s enforcement team.

rinkydinkDecember 10th 2014.

Unexpected item in bagging area...

AnonymousDecember 10th 2014.

Say whaaaatttt?

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