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REVEALED: £300m Plans For Deansgate And Gay Village

Developers Urban & Civic have purchased two city centre sites to develop hundreds of apartments and a 200-bed hotel

Written by . Published on December 2nd 2014.


REVEALED: £300m Plans For Deansgate And Gay Village
 

URBAN & CIVIC have revealed plans for £300m of development across two prime sites in Manchester city centre.

Urban & Civic have plans for a £225m scheme on the Deansgate site including up to 600 apartments spread across four blocks

The property firm - with Manchester offices on Fountain Street - has just completed the purchase of two sites from investor Morgan Stanley Real Estate Funds for £22.5m.

The two-acre Deansgate site is currently occupied by the Marriot Renaissance Hotel on the corner of Blackfriars Street, the second one-acre site sits at the corner of Princess Street and Whitworth Street at the undeveloped Origin site (opposite the New Union pub) in the Gay Village.

Urban & Civic have plans for a £225m scheme on the Deansgate site including up to 600 apartments spread across four blocks, a 200-bed hotel, a 300-space basement car park alongside food, drink and retail units.

With the Renaissance Hotel's contract expiring in November 2017, it is estimated that work at the Deansgate location could start from 2018 and take three years to complete.

Confidential has approached the developer to enquire whether the Renaissance will be demlolished or renovated. We're waiting on their response.

Renaissance Hotel from the Salford side of the River IrwellRenaissance Hotel from the Salford side of the River Irwell

Origin site in The VillageOrigin site in The Village

The developer also has plans to retain the 300-space underground car park at the Gay Village site and develop a three-block 165-bed hotel alongside a further 240 apartments OR 270 student flats at an estimated cost of £75m.

Work at the Princess Road location could start as early as 2016 and take three years to complete.

Executive Chairman of Urban & Civic, Nigel Hugill, said: 

"Cambridge and Manchester are on the wish lists of most fund managers at the moment and our judgement is that there is still some way to go in both local economies.

"We have been able to add an intended 6,500 new homes at Waterbeach, which is only a ten minute cycle ride from Cambridge Science Park, and 800,000 sq ft. of residential, hotel and student accommodation for reworking in the very centre of Manchester."

www.urbanandcivic.com

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71 comments so far, continue the conversation, write a comment.

AnonymousDecember 2nd 2014.

Interesting. Is the Renaissance Hotel being demolished or converted? It's not pretty.

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David BlakeDecember 2nd 2014.

We have asked the developer Anon. We'll get back to you once they reply.

DarrenDecember 2nd 2014.

Fingers crossed it's flattened.

SquirrelitoDecember 2nd 2014.

Hotel operators have a contract/lease for the building until 2017, probably why construction is only scheduled for 2018. See out the contract, no compensation due, and then rip it down. Here's hoping anyway.

AnonymousDecember 2nd 2014.

I'd take this over another glass tower any day

AnonymousDecember 2nd 2014.

The Renaissance Hotel is in my top 5 buildings in Manchester I'd like to see demolished as soon as possible (incidentally, 5 is an arbitrary self imposed cut-off point). So let's hope the demolition option prevails - encouragingly, the description of the development suggests that this is likely.

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AnonymousDecember 2nd 2014.

It looks the type to have asbestos too.

AnonymousDecember 2nd 2014.

Wish they would knock down the Arndale Centre, the whole of it new and old. My god do I detest that building. A major blight on the city.

Barry MaginnDecember 2nd 2014.

Re Arndale Centre - fantastic point. Having such a dominant mess of a building slap bang in the centre of a major city is a disgrace. Not just to Manchester but to the very idea of urban living. Imagine that plonked down on any similar sized city in continental Europe. Florence Arndale anyone? We made major mistakes in town planning in the 60s/70s/80s. But that doesn't mean it is too late to at least somewhat atone for them now.

AnonymousDecember 2nd 2014.

Well they had the opportunity to do something radical a few years ago by using Cannon Street as leverage. Instead it was sold off and incorporated into the mall, doubling the size of this 'dominant mess of a building' overnight. A terrible shame.

AnonymousDecember 3rd 2014.

Same story with Stretford Arndale - the result being an entire town centre that closes at 5.30pm.

EdwardDecember 2nd 2014.

Pics - www.iansimpsonarchitects.com/…/…

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AnonymousDecember 2nd 2014.

Jesus that looks like another set of glass and steel towers, very unique, we will be filling those planes with tourists on the back of this development. When are we going to get something imaginative?

rinkydinkDecember 2nd 2014.

They look great but will the plans still hold now hat West have sold the land? This company looks like it's gonna be doing things on the cheap. Apartments OR student flats? Doesn't bode well for aesthetics does it? We could end up with another Student Castle

EdwardDecember 3rd 2014.

* what we could've had

Kevin PeelDecember 2nd 2014.

This is the first local councillors have heard about these schemes. Perhaps the developers would be so kind as to engage with us and residents.

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AnonymousDecember 2nd 2014.

Given the link provided by Hans above and the glossy presentation of the development it seems almost grotesque that you don't know anything about this!

SquirrelitoDecember 2nd 2014.

behind the ball again, Kevin. These sites were due to be redeveloped YEARS ago. And now they're kicking in again. Your lack of insight into city centre developments is alarming. Are you aware that they're going to build a large indoor shopping centre between Market Street and Withy Grove? Something called an "Arndale", I believe.

AnonymousDecember 2nd 2014.

It is Morgan Hunt and JLL. I have emailed and asked for detail. But as we know too well in this city developers and MCC actively exclude citizen involvement. Agree Councillors should be told but there must be a non-political civic group formed in 2015 and am glad that is happening (that excludes political and elected officials for impartiality). We all know in the 2007 'plans' all citizens desires were actively ignored from workshops and given to the design that Ian Simpson thankfully could not build. This needs to have community and citizen involvement in the processes and I will push for that. 100 million does seem a huge scheme, which could be good news, but must not totally overshadow Canal Street with shadow. I would love to see rooftop gardens, imaginative use to incorporate green space into a development, and for the architects and the developers to make the most of working with the public, something MCC never advocates, seeks and certainly seldom achieves.

AnonymousDecember 2nd 2014.

Perhaps some real progressive people don't care what a bunch of part-time egos care about a great project. Or maybe they just presented it to a local AmDram society instead - same level of relevance. Also, 'engage' is such a political jargonistic abstraction of a word - most city centre dwellers don't want to be 'engaged' every time someone wants to build a new building in the city centre. Some of us have full time careers. Next you'll want them to 'reach out' to you.

AnonymousDecember 2nd 2014.

(Morgan Hunt & JLL who sold Origin development on Monday to Urban & Civic, Terrence Hill)

AnonymousDecember 2nd 2014.

Aww poor Kev wasn't told the big news until today :(

WillDecember 2nd 2014.

Peel should of been looking to remain updated. How out of touch can a Councillor be? I know Peel thinks he is so important, but why a billion pounds development company wouldn't think to call the 'main man' is hardly mind-boggling is it? Ridiculous.

SketDecember 2nd 2014.

You do realise that property deals like this remain confidential until they're made public, right?

rinkydinkDecember 2nd 2014.

So a company has bought some new land and is about to propose some building schemes but hasn't put plans together yet to submit to the council. Isn't this what's happened? So what's wrong with what Kevin has said?

rinkydinkDecember 2nd 2014.

I realise there were previous schemes on these pieces of land but that's what they are: previous and dead schemes

SketDecember 2nd 2014.

Nothing, Rinkydink, but the boring ranting morons on here are really good at finding fault - or rather, conjuring fault - on the part of councillors.

AnonymousDecember 3rd 2014.

SKET is hardly an identifiable identity is it? Similarly boring argument I would say. Could be anyone. Who cares as long as better than the last design.

SketDecember 3rd 2014.

"SKET is hardly an identifiable identity is it?" Er, so what? I never said it was. Neither is Anon.

AnonymousDecember 3rd 2014.

Why did Kevin post this in the first place? Is ManCon an appropriate way of communicating with developers?

Nick NameDecember 2nd 2014.

Is the underground car park a private car park under this building or is it the NCP car park next door?

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GimboidDecember 2nd 2014.

It's under the Origin building site - it was built before the rest of the development was abandoned.

AnonymousDecember 2nd 2014.

One good thing about this abandoned site. Millions were spent on the underground carparking spaces and foundations, so up to 25 million bonus on scheme for the developer. glad it was an incentive, though will refrain from any real judgement until the plans are seen... and hope they are good and not like that Ian Simpson mess that never happened.

AnonymousDecember 2nd 2014.

I'd like to see grass, trees, flowers...ahh..hang on...this is Manchester city centre? Bury me in concrete for my stupidity.

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AnonymousDecember 2nd 2014.

Nice idea. Who's gonna pay for it?

SquirrelitoDecember 2nd 2014.

you might be happier in the suburbs if you want a park.

AnonymousDecember 2nd 2014.

JAUFT Just another xxxx unimaginative tower

Barry MaginnDecember 2nd 2014.

Anon 3 (!?), you actually managed to mess up your own boring, non-value adding comment. Based on the term you have cobbled together, your acronym should be JAFUT, not JAUFT. And there should also probably be 6 'x's in your expletive. Other than that, a nice constructive addition to the debate. Well done

rinkydinkDecember 3rd 2014.

Please don't encourage him...

JoanDecember 2nd 2014.

Rinkydink is right and the link Hans provides is to out-of-date plans. The two sites have only just been purchased by Urban and Civic and no detailed plans have yet been made available. Having a go at Kev Peel because he doesn't know a ‘known unknown’ is illogical. Obviously U&C will have some outline ideas, and they've shared these via a Press Release, but no detail has yet been made available via the planning system or pre-planning consultations. On a separate point, community involvement in the planning process raises complex issues. If anyone knows of examples in a multi-million pound city centre development, please let me know.

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DavidDecember 3rd 2014.

Kevin Peel should have every rotten fruit going thrown at him,if only for his tediously telling us for years that he Coop councillor and then when the Coop was shown as being less than wonderful,cynically pretending otherwise and avoiding all questions about his previous involment that organisation.That man is entirely without any principle,but likes to pretend he is listening to his voters,when he only listens to what his Labour bosses.

AnonymousDecember 3rd 2014.

Irrelevant David. And boring. Do you have to distort every discussion into a political rant?

SquirrelitoDecember 3rd 2014.

I wasn;t having a go, I said I thought it was alarming that he isn't aware of plans afoot in the city centre. He posted a "Nobody told me" about Axis, when Mr Leese had participated in a presentation involving it already. These developments had been announced / discussed on Businessdesk, placenorthwest and skyscrapercity etc etc. If I was representing a city centre ward, I would check sites like those regularly, so I was in the loop. Only takes a couple of minutes.

Not that David!December 3rd 2014.

David.....you ok hun?

EdwardDecember 3rd 2014.

'Having a go at Kev Peel' Oh come on if you come on here expect some criticism / debate we do live in a democracy you know.

Mark FullerDecember 3rd 2014.

David has a man crush on Kevin Peel. He wants to throw soft fruit at him, and then cover him with cream.

rinkydinkDecember 3rd 2014.

And then lick it all off... (Sorry)

AnonymousDecember 3rd 2014.

You will be..

Poster BoyDecember 3rd 2014.

Looks like Mr Bernstein will have a new best friend...

AnonymousDecember 3rd 2014.

Well let's get the cladding of Origin removed please new owners. It's been there so long it is falling off and is an embarrassing, flypostered, crumbling mess.

AnonymousDecember 3rd 2014.

If the previous development scheme for Deansgate (which also involved apartments, a hotel and an underground car park) is indeed as a dead as a parrot, it might have been helpful if that development didn't still figure as an "approved" scheme on the architects web site. Hans obviously thought that was the U&C thing - perhaps not unreasonably, though the start date is given as 2008. Whatever happens, that particular site by the river requires something of genuine quality.

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Not that David!December 3rd 2014.

+1

rinkydinkDecember 3rd 2014.

Maybe the architect is in a similar position to Kevin - unaware

AnonymousDecember 3rd 2014.

This building is the shame of Manchester. Have you seen anything like the derelict mess underneath it. I wish they would flatten it tomorrow. The land at the village needs an innovative design to fit in with the area. Let us see a skyscraper there.

Chris TuckerDecember 4th 2014.

I'm not at all surer that a skyscaper is a good idea. As someone whose usual walking route into the city takes me past the Beetham Tower, I really hope we don't get another building like that dumped in the city. As you approach Beetham Tower when the sun is out the facade looks like it's been damaged by a bomb blast. When there is any wind the tower exaggerates it to an uncomfortable level for any pedestrian and if it's raining you've no hope in hell of using an umbrella as you walk past. The wind just blows it inside out. And all it presents to the street at human height is bland glass or solid black. It's only distinguishing feature is its height and we should expect more than that from any new building in the city.

AnonymousDecember 4th 2014.

Wouldn't it be interesting if we had a few towers built in the middle of the City Centre rather than round the edge? Maybe we would then have a 'skyline' that people could look at from a distance?

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Nick NameDecember 4th 2014.

I'd love some iconic, beautiful skyscrapers in the middle of town, proper ones that rival the huge building around the world. It shows ambition and positivity. Get em built!

AnonymousDecember 4th 2014.

Around Piccadilly Gardens seems an ideal place for tall buildings. It has enough transport links in place.

Chris TuckerDecember 4th 2014.

I'd prefer a city built to be lived in and walked through rather than one built to create a view from a distance. The two can be combined but so far that's not been achieved in Manchester.

AnonymousDecember 4th 2014.

The Renaissance needs to go and the site by the Gay Village has been empty way too long....Had heard a rumour JOHN LEWIS had their eye on the Deansgate site..Must not be the case..SHAME!!! Would be a great location on Deansgate and near Kendals, Selfridges etc....

AnonymousDecember 5th 2014.

A three-block 165-bed hotel alongside a further 240 apartments OR 270 student flats at Princess Street and Whitworth Street....I hope this is not like the originally planned 20 storey towers, everything else around there is 7 storeys max......

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SketDecember 5th 2014.

So? Should there be no high-rises?

AnonymousDecember 5th 2014.

Yes, but below street level like in sci-fi films.

AnonymousDecember 5th 2014.

Of course there should be high-rises Sket, albeit in line with the surrounding existing buildings

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SketDecember 5th 2014.

Forgive me if I'm being dense but doesn't that mean new buildings would never get any taller than the existing buildings?

AnonymousDecember 10th 2014.

Forgiven.

SteveDecember 8th 2014.

It's a shame John Lewis seem to have lost interest. Would have been the perfect site for them. The sooner they get on with the Origin site the better. Hopefully the eyesore Simpson designed will not be used. Although I sometimes wonder whether there are actually any other architects in Manchester!

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AnonymousDecember 30th 2014.

Simpson is good at designing grand schemes for everywhere except Manchester. Check out his designs for Blackfriars in London. Then see what he has done to the ginnel at Manchester central library.Shameful and destructive ruination of a place that didn't need fixing.

AnonymousJanuary 6th 2015.

Any plans been unveiled for the Princess Street/Whitworthstreet site yet?

George EdwardsFebruary 27th 2015.

Looks like they have started sorting the site out on Whitworth st. Pulling down all the old rotten hoardings at last!

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AnonymousFebruary 27th 2015.

So they are, at long last, letting that poor guy who's been stuck in that hot tub since before the recession out at last?

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