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Plan For Quay Street Nightclub Approved

Trof claim planning success despite residents' protests

Written by . Published on September 15th 2011.


Plan For Quay Street Nightclub Approved

PLANS for a new event space and nightclub in the basement of Quay House on Quay Street have been approved by Manchester City Council, depiste proteests from local residents.

Owners of nearby apartments and councillor Kevin Peel had branded the plans a 'noise nuisance' but bar operator Trof has claimed success to go ahead with its new venutre.

Among the proposed functions for the property will be club-nights running until 3am at the weekend. 

Joel Wilkinson, who operates the Trof bars, told Confidential before the planning committee hearing that he had revised original plans 'significantly' after feedback from residents.

The application had attracted almost 100 objections.

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77 comments so far, continue the conversation, write a comment.

AnonymousSeptember 15th 2011.

What a farce, can only hope Trof make a big loss on the place. Hope it fails miserably.
I might open a club next to Joel Wilkinson's house, we can even have the odd roller disco and a flower show. Oh yeh don't forget the tractor show and the rare breed pig show too, musn't forget those.

GHHHHHSeptember 15th 2011.

Eh. That was a little bitter Anon.

AnonymousSeptember 15th 2011.

Disgraceful. Anyone who truely believe that this space will be used for anything other than a late night club needs their head checking (Flower shows, vintage cars shows no chance and as for the MTV Europe awards, I'd be embarrassed if they were held in office car park).

I am looking forward to the pig show though - when are the advance tickets going on sale

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AnonymousSeptember 15th 2011.

Me too, I can't wait for a the rare breed pig show, perhaps they can bring one of those rare Devon Red Breeds and I can take some pics.

AnonymousSeptember 15th 2011.

It is funny as that is what they haeve to do. Another thing mentioned was vintage car shows and caravan shows.

Looks like they have dug themsleves a hole.

ManCon, can you please let us know when the first caravan show is please?

AnonymousSeptember 15th 2011.

Surely animal welfare groups would not approve of Hereford Bulls and such like being kept in an undergrond car park for a few days. They would need areas to graze as laid down in law.

I will contact such a society tomorrow to establish their view.

Having said that I am sure Trof have this covered as they have committed to these events.

DagSeptember 15th 2011.

Although unlikely, just to add some balance to the euphoria and the likely biased view of ManCon and those who are not effected.
Michael Ingall of Allied London attended and confirmed to residents that Trof may not even proceed and even if it did, if there was any evidence of the trouble local residents expect it would be closed down. Allied have put £3.2bn into Spinningfields and don't want it spoiled by a badly thought out idea.
There will be a further consultation between Allied, residents and Trof within a few weeks.

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PaulSeptember 15th 2011.

To be fair to Michael Ingall he has done an excellent job of redeveloping the Spinningfields area. It's just a shame that he has backed something like this.

DagSeptember 15th 2011.

Can't disagree. But this is wildly different to what Spinninfields is about

PaulSeptember 15th 2011.

I agree, this will just ruin the whole Spinningfields area.

AnonymousSeptember 15th 2011.

Hang on there - a strict condition was that it will be limited to only 8 clubs night a month, so Friday and Saturday on a 4 weekend month and closed one weekend ona five weekend month.

This makes it not commercially viable so unilkely to go ahead. Plus it has to hold flower shows, agricultural shows etc as was submitted in their letter to the council.
Can they make it pay? Not a chance.

There is a further meeting with residents and the Cief Executive of Allied London (owners of Spinningfields) to discuss a number of issues that came to light today.

I suggest ManCon look again at what was agreed and it is a victory for residents.

It was ponted out by a member that it was suggested (in ManCon) that the MTV Awards might be held their. This year it is being held at the Odyssey Arena in Belfast which has a capacity of 14,000 people which means that if thsi happens in the underground car park the audience will be reduced by NINETY per cent. Similarly with teh propsed NMA Awards which will be reduced to 30%!

Nobody from the MTV Awards nor the NME could confirm that they had been contacted but it was confirmed that MTV are looking for 12,000 plus venues not 1,500!

AnonymousSeptember 15th 2011.

It might not work for Allied London as they acknowledged that they would put on a lot of extra security to protect Spinningfields.

The usual requirement for 1,500 people is 120 so how much willl that cost?

Assurancesw ere given about dispersal so people would be dispersed round the back of Quay House, up past Preet a Manger and down past Pure Gym and to Deansate so the road next to the Opera House would need to be cordoned off - how much will that cost.

PaulSeptember 15th 2011.

The picture on this article says it all! It was all about the nightclub and always will be. Where are the pics of the rollerboots, tractors and flower shows? I've even purchased a second hand pair of rollerboots this afternoon so I can join in.

AnonymousSeptember 15th 2011.

''Joel Wilkinson, who operates the Trof bars, told Confidential before the planning committee hearing that he had revised original plans 'significantly' after feedback from residents''

He also told residents that he would not go ahead with these plans.

Shame he didn't speak at today's hearing.

AnonymousSeptember 15th 2011.

Would you open a club just on weekends only and then have to put up with local flower arranging clubs and pig shows during the week? Of course not.

The outcome of today's decision. Any money made at the weeknd will then be lost by having to do the other events that were promised.

This is a sound victory for the residents.

Assurance was also given by Allied London that at the sign of any problems they will close it down with immediate effect. They do not want to destroy the image or the other businesses in Spinningields.

AnonymousSeptember 15th 2011.

I liek the picture of the club used in this article. Compare that to one in an underground car park that has a roof about 12 foot high.

It is like saying 'restaurant gets go ahead' and shwoing teh dining room at the Ritz but then you finf out it is a transport caff.

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Tom HilesSeptember 15th 2011.

The space under Quay House is actually quite similar in height to that shown in the photo.

AnonymousSeptember 15th 2011.

It isn't because I hve been in it

Tom HilesSeptember 15th 2011.

I've been in it too. You think I would comment if I hadn't? It's much taller than 12 feet.

AnonymousSeptember 15th 2011.

Tom, how do you feel about livestock being kept in this space for seven hours a day for agricultural shows?

Tom HilesSeptember 16th 2011.

?? What's that got to do with the actual height of the space?? Doesn't sound very nice for the cows, I'll say that much.

Richard HJSeptember 15th 2011.

Aren't cities meant to be noisy, vibrant things?

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AnonymousSeptember 15th 2011.

Well maybe people should not be allowed to live in cities.

The city is vibrant. I lokk out of my window now at 5pm and it is vibrant. It's great.

I don't see how 1,500 people puking up at 3am is 'vibrant'.

I have lived in cities all over the world and many are 'vibrant' during the day but in the evening are dead. People go out in the suburbs but here we have a NIMBY culture where people don't go out in their own back yards but pile into towns and cities.

The key to a city is not 'noise'. People live, work, shop, eat and drink there. Some people think a city = bars and nothing else. Thes epeople are usually NIMBYS who come in from the hills at the weekend.

Besides, thsi si not just a nightclub but a Flower Show venue, a Vintage Car rally venue etc.

I will apply for a Vintage Car show on a Bank Holiday next year, which means no club nights as I will have me Uncle's cars in there on show all weekend. That was part of the deal!

AnonymousSeptember 15th 2011.

Yes, that is why people live here - we add to that vibrancy of what would otherwise be a dead city during the week.

We love the vibrancy but just don't like being woken up by pissheads fighting at 5am. That is not what a city centre is about.

AnonymousSeptember 15th 2011.

What is happenning to the Big Screen? It will be a shame to see it go, but maybe it will be put somewhere else.

DagSeptember 15th 2011.

Anon - not aware the screen is going???

AnonymousSeptember 15th 2011.

They normally remove it every winter or at least cover it over

AnonymousSeptember 15th 2011.

It was to do with the exit/access to this Quay House venue which will be difficult when the main square is cordoned off for screen showings so it was one or the other.

It will probably move to behind the new court building.

CITYmanSeptember 15th 2011.

Anon...the picture's from the undercroft of Piccadilly Station, big empty old warehouse spaces looking remarkably like....an underground car park. It's the Warehouse Project. Doh.

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AnonymousSeptember 15th 2011.

Ah I see, so this is 'The Car Park Project' ?

DagSeptember 15th 2011.

I think it stayed last winter. The previous winter it was removed.

AnonymousSeptember 15th 2011.

Can't wait to see a caravan show in a basement. :-S

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DagSeptember 15th 2011.

Ironically they'll need a carpark afterall

Jill JillianSeptember 15th 2011.

The Sports Bar couldn't make it pay so unless the rent is dirt cheap i can't see this working,unless they're thinking that when the building is demolished and rebuilt they won't have to ask for permission for a club .........I wonder!!!

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AnonymousSeptember 15th 2011.

I'm not certain there is any rent...

AnonymousSeptember 15th 2011.

This will make money, it's a completely different kind of venue than the sports bar. These will be ticketed live music events, probably £15/20 a time. It will be popular, theres not much else on offer in Manchester like this. The sports bar was rough,it was catering for that type of crowd, this won't be and so people won't be put off going.

AnonymousSeptember 15th 2011.

£20 every Friday and Saturday for a concert?

That isn't the business model.

How much will they charge for the agricultural machinery shows, the flower shows etc?

This is a condition of the permission that they have to have these other events. That is what will lose them money hand over fist.

Two nights week selling booze and no other revenue. Doomed.

AnonymousSeptember 15th 2011.

It's exactly the business model. They're after a piece of the Warehouse Project action. That place makes money, and not from selling booze, but from selling tickets.

AnonymousSeptember 16th 2011.

It isn't the business model.

The wraehouse project has 2,000 people and is open until 5am. This venue opens to 3am and has 1,500 people and the car park is much smaller.

Originally this was to open six nights a week and on there of four nights until 5.30am but now is limited to eight nights a month - not the original buiness model going from 26 nights a month to 8!

Plus in the original plan there was no mention of flowers shows, rare breed pig shows etc but now they have to do these.

In summary opening for 18 nighst a month less and having to put on flower shows, vintage car shows etc.

Is that what Trof want?

Jill JillianSeptember 15th 2011.

like Brannigans .............closed

AnonymousSeptember 15th 2011.

''Trof claim planning success despite residents' rants''

Nice use of the word 'rant' which means empty delamation made without importance or dignity in an angry or violent manner'!!

I shall be cancelling my ManCon Hearoes membership, shan't take up your offers etc.

From,

An ex-customer of ManCon

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EditorialSeptember 16th 2011.

Protests would have been a better word you're right. We'll change.

AnonymousSeptember 19th 2011.

Can you be any more dramatic?

It's the city, duffusSeptember 15th 2011.

You will get over it Anon - just have a good night's sleep over it while you still can, and have a think whether YOUR flat is up to sound proofing standard.

Allied London are on to something here if they believe that a mono-structured district will reduce the appeal of the location. They are right to diversify, even if it's just temporary.

On the other hand, do we really know when this building will finally go? I mean, Elizabeth House for example was supposed to go when???

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AnonymousSeptember 16th 2011.

OK, so I am a aprtner in a law firm and we are thinking of moving into the offices vacated by Halliwells. What would attract me in? Would a 1,500 capacity student club tempt me to move my people there?

No.

CITYmanSeptember 16th 2011.

What a ridiculous thing to say. Do your lawyers go raving in the afternoon?

Tom HilesSeptember 16th 2011.

Elizabeth House is due to be demolished in the next few months. The developers have just put out the demolition contract to tender. Keep up to date here: www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php…

Giles HineSeptember 16th 2011.

Please let me know the name of your law firm. I would like to steer clear of it, as I prefer my solicitors to be considered and, above all else, literate.

AnonymousSeptember 16th 2011.

Giles, I was saying do you think a 1,500 capacity rave venue attract my firm to move next door and I answered 'no'.

What the original poster was saying was that this type of venue WOULD attarct businesses in.

My husband worked at Halliwells and he wouldn't have wanted to have been next to that.

Spinningfields was a good thing for a handful of people at Halliwells though...

Dylan's BobSeptember 16th 2011.

Times they are a changin'

AnonymousSeptember 16th 2011.

the planning commitee voted 6 to 5 in favour so it was close, hence the restricted opening.

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AnonymousSeptember 16th 2011.

And 6:6 for a site visit, it's a shame the concillors didn't opt for this, they would have realised how out of character this is with the area.

AnonymousSeptember 16th 2011.

Will there be some sort of deal where if I buy a ticket for the Chillingham Wild Cattle show I get reduced entry to the MTV Music Awards?

PaulSeptember 16th 2011.

Who is going to pay 15/20quid to get into the car park? Why not just party in the NCP next door, at least it's got windows!

AnonymousSeptember 16th 2011.

1. Rollerboots for the roller disco (10quid from ebay)
2. Rare Aberdeen Angus Red for the cattle show (100quid from a farmer in Scunthorpe)
3. Tractor for the tractor show (1,000 from a second hand tractor salesman)
4. Ticket for the underground carpark nightclub - priceless
There are somethings money just can't buy, for everything else there is Mastercard.

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AnonymousSeptember 16th 2011.

I have two Aberdeen Angus Steaks in my freezer which I would be happy to display in the car park.

Charlie ButterworthSeptember 16th 2011.

So are people saying this club's just going to be a cattle market?

AnonymousSeptember 16th 2011.

Good news. Manchester needs something like this, it's falling behind the other cities in nightlife terms. The city centre is for the hundreds of thousands of residents who live in Manchester and the surrounding areas, not just the few people who live round here. If you can't have it here, where can you have it?

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PaulSeptember 16th 2011.

But it's not all about the nightclub. This wasn't just a nightclub application as this article implies. Part of the application involved them hosting other events that aren't club related. It remains to be seen if this will make it commercially viable.

Calum McGSeptember 16th 2011.

Congratulations and good luck to Trof. Folks against: if they cock this up, they'll lose their licence, won't they. Give them a chance :)

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AnonymousSeptember 16th 2011.

Opponents have no choice but to give it a chance but at every sign of a problem we will complain.

A concern is the keeping of animals in there for the pig shows so Trof need to work closely with animal welfare groups.

RSPCPSeptember 16th 2011.

Can we have a 'Pugs not Drugs' party, pleeeeaase?

Charles SheenSeptember 16th 2011.

I am all for it:

www.celebritydogwatcher.com/…/lie_sheen_pug.jpg…

Calum McGSeptember 16th 2011.

I love bacon.

AnonymousSeptember 16th 2011.

This is the kind of thing going on elsewhere:

''For the younger visitor there is an adventure playground and for the very yoing an indoor play area.There is a new activity area where,during peak times, craft activities such as egg painting will be organised. The rare breed farm park's also a great place to show children chicks and chickens, ducks, geese and rare breed farm animals. There are 20 acres in which to view fowl, duck, geese, turkeys, bantams and rare breed farm animals''.

I think that it is fantastic that Trof are forging ahead with this kind of event in Manchester and it is a great opportunity to get people into the city that would never normally come into a city centre and also for people from inner city areas to let them know a bit more about country living.

This is very positive and I look forward to announcements in the near furure as to the programme of events.

AnonymousSeptember 16th 2011.

I remember years ago when we had the Flower Show at Platt Fields and hundreds of thousands of people came to Manchester over three days, the left wing looney council messed that up ,can't wait to here Mr karney bum this one up .

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AnonymousSeptember 16th 2011.

Hopefully people would have learnt from that.

Trof know what they are doing so I am sure the Flower Show(s) will be a success, maybe it will even rival the one that they have at Tatton.

People travel all over for these events and this will be a big boost to the hotels in the city.

Associations such as Manchester Flower Lovers Guild should lead the way on this one.

Jill JillianSeptember 16th 2011.

A flower show in a basement ,I can feel the rays of the fluorecent lights beating down on me now,will they let people park their cars on St Johns Gardens

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AnonymousSeptember 16th 2011.

You can buy specialist lighting that not only shows off the flowers to their absolute best (important in a keen competition).

There is also other specialist lighting that can help plants grow so I am sure that Trof will have this covered.

My father in law is secretary of some gardening society in Herefordshire and they are up here the weekend after next so I will see if he can go and check the venue out. His thought thoughts weren't too positive but he's curious to take a look. We may nip to the Deaf Institute too so he can see the type of things they do.

CobbydalerSeptember 16th 2011.

Maybe they could relocate the miniature dog show from The Avenue
www.spinningfieldsonline.com/…/event_details.cfm…

Plenty of room for them in the car park...

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Richard HJSeptember 16th 2011.

Are they miniature or just far away?

AnonymousSeptember 16th 2011.

The police might be able to help out they are allways arresting people who use that type of lighting in basements

PaulSeptember 16th 2011.

Perhaps consideration could be given to combining one of the animal fayres with the roller skating events? I'm suprised this wasn't considered as part of the application process?

www.freakingnews.com/…/Roller-Skates--57218.jpg…

AnonymousSeptember 16th 2011.

what about Rollerball but use a turnip instead

AnonymousSeptember 21st 2011.

ANYONE KNOW IF THEY WILL HAVE ALCOHOL ON SALE DURING THE CRAFT SHOWS? THERE IS JUST NOT ENOUGH BOOZE AND CRAFT ACTIVITY COMBINED.

James SpencerSeptember 22nd 2011.

anon ... in hand made glasses and home brewed beer

James SpencerSeptember 22nd 2011.

This is planning permission. Presumably he will need a various licenses. It's not listed currently for consultation.
Applications are listed here.

www.manchester.gov.uk/…/documents_info.php…

There is one interesting one which residents might want to look at. 'Public Realm, Spinningfields Square, Manchester, M3 3HF' (change of hours)
Ends on 23/9

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