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Oxford Road Proposal. Good For Buses, Taxis, Bikes And Walkers

Jonathan Schofield does it 'Dutch style ' with a cute video

Written by . Published on May 29th 2013.


Oxford Road Proposal. Good For Buses, Taxis, Bikes And Walkers
 

BUSES, tick. Taxis, tick. Bicycles, tick. Accoustic guitars, tick.

Cars, nope.

Well, actually private vehicles are allowed a bit, then not, then allowed a bit more, then partially allowed. It's all a shade complicated.

Confidential has confirmed that coaches of tourists - as long as the vehicles have over 12 seats - will be able to use the routes as well as public service vehicles. 

Here's the video about what may happen to Oxford Road - with a la-la kids TV sound track. "Now, children, do we all know what a  'Dutch style cycle lane' is?"

Here's the Oxford Road proposals. There will be segregated cycle lanes, and a speed limit of 20mph, throughout.

From Hathersage Road to Booth Street East it will be buses, bikes and taxis only.

At Booth Street East and West 'general traffic' - aka private cars - can cross Oxford Road. From Grosvenor Street to Whitworth Street, Oxford Road is open to general traffic one way north into the city centre.

Only buses can turn right on Charles Street and no vehicles can turn left into Hulme Street. From Charles Street to Whitworth Street general traffic flows in both directions.

From Whitworth Street to Portland Street, buses, bikes and taxis only northwards, all traffic allowed southbound.

Got it?

This will make parts of Oxford Road calmer for pedestrians although not very much because of the vast quantities of buses buzzing along. The biggest effect will be produced by the 20mph speed limit which should make the area outside the main University building and Manchester museum more human friendly. 

Confidential has confirmed that coaches of tourists - as long as the vehicles have over 12 seats - will be able to use the routes as well as public service vehicles. 

These ideas are simply a proposal at present. A public consultation runs through to Wednesday 26 June.

Changes to traffic movements in the Portland Street and Chinatown areas of the city centre will also keep some buses separate from general traffic to allow more reliable services. New and upgraded bus stops will improve accessibility.

There will be full service access to all businesses, and complementary traffic measures are planned for the routes parallel to Oxford Road to help drivers and local communities.

Interactive maps on www.tfgm.com/buspriority show how journeys will be affected if the proposed changes are introduced.

Throughout June TfGM staff will be available at a series of public events in local communities and in the city centre. Click here for details of events for Oxford Road and here for the city centre.

Any written comments about the scheme can be emailed to buspriority@tfgm.com or posted to Transport for Greater Manchester bus priority, FREEPOST RRHE-RKUU-KSJY, Manchester M1 3BG.

Now, back to these 'Dutch style bike lanes'?

What are they again? 

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34 comments so far, continue the conversation, write a comment.

Hero
Manc GuyMay 29th 2013.

Looks good. Not sure about the 20mph bit. The taxis are Hackney's only I believe. Interesting to see a bus lane turning in to Princess Street 'towards' the town hall.

lexy1968May 29th 2013.

All well and good, but where are they proposing that all of the cars that use the route go instead?!

AnonymousMay 29th 2013.

Proposals make no sense at all. They are looking at cutting congestion into Manchester which they aren't at all. It will just push it onto other routes which by default become less safe for pedestrians and cyclists. The bus service will b no more reliable (or quicker) as the majority of the buses still have to travel through the 'curry mile' and Fallowfield where the main delays occur. They would be better off concentrating on reducing traffic there than in the centre of town.

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AnonymousMay 29th 2013.

No, but there is less congestion on that stretch of road because there is no cars on it.

anneiaJune 1st 2013.

I agree with you its never clear when they put bus lanes on the rds cuts the width of the rd and instead of being 2-3 lanes it becomes 1 lane for motorists and causes congestion

RobbsyMay 29th 2013.

Overly complicated and slightly ridiculous - and I am sure expensive to implement - the potential bottlenecks are obvious I despair at times...

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Manc GuyMay 29th 2013.

I despair every time a car owner on this website whines about access, the availability of parking, or the cost of parking. Your 'needs' and 'demands' to have convenient travel that suits each and every one of you will end in tears one day.

AnonymousMay 30th 2013.

#busw@nker

AnonymousMay 30th 2013.

I think I'm great, even though I know that I have a personality only a mother could love.

AnonymousMay 29th 2013.

I use that bus route and trafic is only a problem through falowfield and rusholme the rest of the route is almost always clear even at rush hour. Even with the rusholme / fallowfield bottle necks I think the major reason for delayed bus journeys are the masive number of people who use the bus route its just not practicle to load 50 people on to a bus quickly enough for drivers to stick to timetables.

AnonymousMay 29th 2013.

What will all this work cost? are the benefits worth it?

AnonymousMay 29th 2013.

I'd have more confidence if they could even pronounce Grosvenor Street correctly.

AnonymousMay 29th 2013.

I travel this route by car and bus so can see it from both sides and agree with comments already made why tinker with the parts of the route that have no issues ? remove all the parking bays on the curry mile make the whole stretch no parking add a bus lane going out of Manchester problem solved

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Manc GuyMay 30th 2013.

I agree. There is a bus bottleneck leading up to Oxford Road along Wilmslow Road. There are some wide stretches of pavement along there and a central island or two in the middle of the road. If they were to remove all of the parking bays, the islands and introduce Dutch style cycle paths to the wider pavement areas, there’d be plenty of room for continuous bus lanes.

AnonymousMay 30th 2013.

I'm not sure normal parking laws apply in rusholme. just getting people to park in the bays properly would help to fix the problem

Hero
Manc GuyMay 30th 2013.

I've not had a meal there for years, as it's had its day now IMO. I usually went on the bus, but on the odd occasion I drove, I parked in the streets behind Wilmslow Road. There was always room.

JayMay 29th 2013.

The video isn't working for me. From reading the article I see that the council stranglehold on car users and city centre retailers continues. What's more disturbing are the plans for the city centre www.youtube.com/watch… Those plans will truly mess up the city centre and will cost a fortune for little or no return. I would have that with the expansion of the tram network that buses would be on the decrease so why do we need these measures?

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AnonymousJune 5th 2013.

Haha. 'Stranglehold'? Look at a map of Manchester. Look at all the roads private cars can go on, then look at the number of roads that may be closed to them. The private car still dominates, and will do for decades, shame though that is. No need to get in a tizz about those who want quicker public transport and safer cycle routes.

AnonymousMay 29th 2013.

I think the biggest benefit will be the introduction of cross city bus routes. Having to mix it with general traffic makes timetabling and running a cross city service impractical at the present time I would have thought. Allowing people from north manc and salford better access into and through the city to the hospitals, university and employment in the south of the city and visa versa is surely good for the whole city.

AnonymousMay 30th 2013.

What about all the mature trees along the route ? How many are being cut down? The Dutch seem to be able to have cycle lanes and trees!

AnonymousMay 30th 2013.

More trees please! Delays to buses cos of the old-fashioned way of collecting fares could be reduced to a minimum if TfGM has the nous to bring in smart ticketing - like the Transport for London Oyster - to link in with these road layout changes. As for encouraging safer cycling, all well and good but will the City Council and the police also address the shocking prevalence of unsafe pavement riding by so many cyclists in the city centre? And I hope they are going to ban Hackney cabbies from their equally dangerous habit of using bus stops as taxi ranks. Why TfGM hasn't already tidied up the traffic flow along the Curry Mile is beyond comprehension. Actually, if they are going to fiddle with city centre road layouts, we'd all be better off if they simply spent the money on cleaning up, resurfacing and re-marking the existing roads, pavements, cycle lanes and bus access points, most of which are in a shocking state of neglect.

Dave MartinMay 30th 2013.

Looks grand to me. Cycling down Oxford Rd/St right now is terrifying. You either have to share a lane with the buses and be wedged between them and the pavement, continually overtaking one another, or take your chances with the cars and be wedged between them and the buses.

Richard HassanMay 30th 2013.

I absolutely agree with the smart ticketing point. I recently started getting the bus in to Manchester after living in the city centre for 10 years. I was shocked that stagecoach still use the mega rider pass. Why Manchester haven't got an Oyster card system is beyond me. (Never mind live bus and tram times - that's another issue) There would be an uptick in tourism if Oyster cards themselves worked in Manchester and London. I also agree there has never been a real problem with congestion around the university corridor.

AnonymousMay 31st 2013.

I can barely believe what I have just seen... An expensive solution to a problem that simply doesn't exist on that section of Oxford road. There is however, undeniably, a very real problem with car congestion in Rusholme where if you are a cyclist you are frankly taking your life into your own hands, and if you are a bus user you often have to sit there watching spectacularly bad driving that trashes your journey time. I didn't see Rusholme feature in the video though?!

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AnonymousJune 5th 2013.

I do hope those pointing out the Rusholme problem have also done so at the official consultation site!

Lee-Ann WitcombeMay 31st 2013.

Well I think it is a genius idea, to spend millions on the quietest stretch of commutor road, especially for the poor bike riders who believe that red lights are for the rest of the traffic to stop while they selflessly trundle through and as long as they and the bus riders alone are the ones making and spending lots of money in the city and not those awful car drivers who come in especially to fill there car boots with lots of shopping and useless business meetings inc lunching and dining in the city, it all makes perfect sense.

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Manc GuyMay 31st 2013.

..."those awful car drivers who come in especially to fill there car boots with lots of shopping and useless business meetings inc lunching and dining in the city,"...or they could get public transport like the masses and the people on business could just get taxis and claim the fare back along with the cost of the wining and dining they do?

AnonymousMay 31st 2013.

Yes it is that simply, because public transport is accessible to everyone everywhere especially if you have a lot of shopping and possible kids in tow and taxis are cheap no matter who pays for them. I'm sorry but I believe killing off accessibility to all but public transport and bike users will kill off any city.

Wilf PostMay 31st 2013.

The harsh fact that this City has to accept "that a lot of shoppers want and will use the car". All you have to do is look at empty shops on any high street. Current policies are driving people out of the city. By the way I use public transport and have a car. I prefer using the tram or train. But a lot of people want to and will use the car. but instead of Manchester they will go somewhere else and spend. so more shop closure, loss of jobs, empty town. Then the traffic problem is solved, as no one will want to go into Poundland manchester

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Manc GuyMay 31st 2013.

I think the council should have a trial run and allow free street parking [except on double yellows] from midnight on Friday till midnight on Sunday. Park as long as you like too. The drivers would then be able to shop all day without rushing back to their cars. What do you think?

Wilf PostMay 31st 2013.

Manc Guy, good idea, but what worries me is the constant push to drive the car out. Look at the facts we slow traffic down e.g Rusholme it moves to another route. but more important it slows public transport down. When will the planners get this through their blinkered skulls??? Roads and public transport are for all. I am very worried for the future of Manchester as a centre that can do business. Employers will move out if people and goods cannot get easy access to the city

Poster BoyJune 1st 2013.

...all part of the overt policy of the City Council to make Manchester a car-free city. It's a 21st century policy version of a Nuclear Free City, with a similar outcome #laughingstock

jrsteeveJune 7th 2013.

They're clueless! Looks at Deansgate, by extending the pavement out and making the left lanes left turn only, they've created even more congestion and road rage from drivers getting stuck behind those turning right, or the bellends who cut in from the left.

espoirJune 17th 2013.

bring in electric trolley buses as part of the Metrolink network along Oxford Rd. (Fallowfield to Salford Central), ban the filthy buses, segregated cycle lanes are always good, don't ban cars

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