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On-Street Parking Compared: MCR More Restrictive Than London

Manchester tops the table

Published on June 26th 2013.


On-Street Parking Compared: MCR More Restrictive Than London
 

HERE's a table comparing on-street parking charges and times of application in various cities around the UK and elsewhere plus districts of central London with those in central Manchester. They've been ranked in order. Some surprising results here: thanks to David Fox of Tampopo for sorting this out. 

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43 comments so far, continue the conversation, write a comment.

SmittyJune 26th 2013.

Dear Mr Jonathan, I was in your favourite restaurant last night for me dinner before it shuts (L'Entrecote) and there was ONE pay and display space available in the King St area. I had to drive around to get it. Can you please explain how this fits with your theory that Manchester is a parking ghost town (like wot you have got in that there picture up above). thanks, sweetcheeks xx. Also, I drove up Liverpool Road, and there wasn't any on there... Also, where's Birmingham on your table? Their inner zone has parking from 8am to 7.30pm seven days a week apart from bank hols. Don't believe me? Here's the proof: www.birmingham.gov.uk/streetparking… mwah

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Jonathan SchofieldJune 26th 2013.

Valid points Smitty. Make 'em that's what we're here for. By the way the picture was taken immediately after my Haunted Underworld tour on Saturday afternoon last at approximately 4pm. It was a ghost town in and around King Street, a deadzone, er...spooky, er...can't think of anything else to go with haunted.

AnonymousJune 26th 2013.

Were there not always saturday afternoon parking charges JS?

SmittyJune 26th 2013.

Indeed mr s... Oops, your table of doom also appears to have left out Liverpool, which also has parking seven days a week, albeit only till 6.

AnonymousJune 26th 2013.

Fair enough but does a *perception* that free parking is available prompt more people to visit, maybe, even if on many occasions visitors will end up paying anyway due to the scarcity of free spaces? Sad maybe but a lot of people are wedded to their cars.

JoanJune 27th 2013.

I think the last anonymous is on to something here. Friends in Leftbank tell me that the expanse of surface car-parks they can see in Salford were busy on the Sundays when Manchester was free but now very empty. I agree it's a perception thing. People used to drive in on Sundays expecting free parking and then think they were just unlucky when the found there were no free spaces and they had to pay. In Liverpool Road all the parking spaces used to be occupied before 11.00am on a Sunday. People arriving later had to park further out or pay.

Jonathan SchofieldJune 27th 2013.

Smitty you're missing the point. Why is Manchester so at variance with the cities shown here?

AnonymousJune 27th 2013.

I think the point JS is that the list on which this is all based is not a reliable source. Its omited cities that have the same or greater restrictions than manchester presumably because that suits the argument of the person who made it. Therefore its propaganda not news and while your right there should be a debate, a debate cannot be had on the back of one biased document.

Hero
David FoxJune 26th 2013.

Only till 1pm then it was a wonderfully free until 9:30am Monday morning. Free parking on meter and single yellow (of which there were a lot more of then until they got "risk assessed" into oblivion (If in doubt stick a double yellow down). The city felt wonderful and the city felt accessible. Maybe those days are gone forever in this over regulated world of you can't park there sir.

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SmittyJune 26th 2013.

Where those also the days when you could go to the cinema, have a five course meal and still have change from a shiny shilling? To be honest I still think manchester feels wonderful. I love living here. It's genuinely a real shame that you feel that paying £2.50 to park for an hour has ruined everything...

SmittyJune 26th 2013.

Yikes! I mean "were those the days" not "where". For shame!

Hero
Manc GuyJune 26th 2013.

"and the city felt accessible"? Manchester is and always was 'accessible'!!! The only thing that has changed here, is that it's not 'as convenient' for car owners. Every time parking is mentioned on this website people take sides. I get that. But it always boils down to one thing...that it's not 'convenient' for car owners. SO WHAT? GET THE F*** OVER YOURSELVES FFS!!! Isn't having a car convenient enough for you? It's not convenient when I have to stand during a train or bus journey. It's not convenient when some scrote has put their feet on the seat opposite and got it dirty. It's not convenient when an adults [who should know better] allow their toddlers and young kids to take a full seat. Regardless of how inconvenient those things are, I would never whine to the transport company about. Why not? Because I accept the fact that other people use public transport and it's not just there for me, just like there are millions of other drivers out there, driving around at the same time. So remember that the next time you're sat inside your glass, steel and plastic bubble. For most people affected by this, if they want something from town, or have a need or desire to go there, then they'll just go, regardless of the method of transport used or how much it is to park. If the council are on the look out for more revenue, they should start charging disabled drivers, because other than votes, I'd like to know what their rationalle is behind making it free.

Hero
David FoxJune 26th 2013.

I presume you are joking....

Hero
Manc GuyJune 27th 2013.

No.

Hero
David FoxJune 27th 2013.

Oh dear...

Hero
David FoxJune 26th 2013.

Don't get me wrong - I love Mcr and applaud many things the council has done. I think public transport has got a lot better and cycling a lot easier. As said in previous posts I cycle in most days and get the tram in at the week end with the family. I like Elbow, shop at Unicorn in fact I am your very own smug Guardian reading pro Manchester public transport using member of the public. I just thing the council is a tad zealous on its on street parking strategy. Has it ruined the city - of course not. Has it made the city less vibrant mid week - of course it has. Does it discourage spenders coming into town - of course it does. To have longer on street parking restrictions than central London lends credence to that. Re other cities - I was in Liverpool on Saturday - north of Bold street and had to drive for 10 minutes around loads (and I mean 30-40) of completely empty metered roads with 2 hr parking - so I would not hold them up us a shining example of a great transport strategy. The even smugger Guardian readers than me can retort - why didn't you get the train. The simple answer was I couldn't be arsed. We had 24 hrs with no children and I wanted the make the most of what wonderful Liverpool could offer - spending my hard earned cash in the shops bars and restaurants. Next time I may just head to London - but that would be just childish.......

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Hero
Manc GuyJune 27th 2013.

"why didn't you get the train. The simple answer was I couldn't be arsed." Spoken like a true car owner, like all of my colleagues and most car owners I know...and you a cyclist too!

AnonymousJune 27th 2013.

One thing never mentioned in the stories about restaurants doing badly 'because of' parking charges is the vast number of new restaurants opening, many of them very successful. Perhaps that's part of the cause of a decline in trade for other establishments.

AnonymousJune 27th 2013.

It's not just about people visiting town, it's also affecting residents.

AnonymousJune 27th 2013.

Why are you always so anti-car Manc Guy?

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Hero
Manc GuyJune 27th 2013.

I’m not anti-car, I’ve owned and had company cars in the past and I’ve never taken any of them for granted. Car ownership and access to one is a luxury not a right and people fail to realise that. For anyone that’s got by on foot, bicycle or public transport, having access to a car is instantly seductive. Advertising, peer pressure, desire or status. Whatever the reason people want a car, for most it’s once driven always smitten. The transition is seamless and their priorities change accordingly, because soon people start to think in terms of convenience, as it’s then all about how close they can park to their house, how close can they park to the supermarket doors, how close can you park to the restaurant or venue. They then throw the courtesy book out of the window as they then want to double park, park in ‘pick up only’ bays, park on wide family parking spaces and disabled spaces. That soon develops into loading or unloading on double yellows, bus stops, next to pelican crossings, on awkward junctions and street corners, jumping lights and stopping on box junctions. Driving their cars will never be convenient enough for them, ever, and it is those people that I am against. I’m also against the scores of cyclists that cycle on pavements and through red lights. They give themselves as bad a name as the type of driver I’ve mentioned above.

Hero
David FoxJune 27th 2013.

I am a 67 year old widow. I live off a state pension and a small nurses pension. I live on Meadow Road in Urmston. I drive a Nissan Micra. I would like to see the Saddleworth Brass band at the Bridgewater Hall. There are some seats for £12.50. The show starts at 7.00 pm. I would get a tad anxious if I am not there in plenty of time, so need to be at the Hall for 6:30pm. The show finishes at 9:45pm. I have sore hip but not so much so that I have seen any one about it yet. I really should. I would love to head in before the show for a bite to eat as it has been a while. Can Manc Guy please tell the best way to get there and back.

Hero
Manc GuyJune 27th 2013.

Well DAVID love, you could ask a relative to give you a lift. or failing that, get the 5.22pm number 15 bus to Stretford Metrolink and then a tram to Deansgate. Grab yourself something to eat at the Brtions Protection pub. After the concert just get the number 255 bus home. You’ll be home by half ten. I tell you what, £12.50 for a two and three quarter hour concert’s good value. I’d buy two for that price. Oh!...and if you were driving in, seeing as you’ve got internet access, A limited number of guaranteed spaces are available to Bridgewater Hall concert patrons at Park Avenue car park for £5.50. You might want to get that hip looked love BTW.

AnonymousJune 27th 2013.

Actually the BwH has a parking subsidy scheme. as does the two commercial theatres.

AnonymousJune 27th 2013.

There is something very selfish in wanting to jump into your car outside your house in Wilmslow and expect to park right outside San Carlo for free. It's a provincial trait which, unfortunately, many Mancunians have. The public transport in this city is considerably better than Birmingham, it's largely apathy which prevents its usage. How come so many people feed the need to park outside a restaurant or bar anyway? When I go into town for a meal, I wish to have a few G&T's, and at least one bottle of wine. The train or the tram are the sensible options, as I'm someone who has no time for people who dine and imbibe nothing stronger than a bottle of Perrier. Sod off to Parrs Wood or the Trafford Centre and take your noisy kids with you. Conspicuous through his silence on this issue, however, is Mr Manchester himself, Christmas Spokesman, City Centre Spokesman, Eid Co-Ordinator, Great British Bake Off Runner Upper...Councillor PAT KARNEY. Since Karney uses every conceivable occasion to affirm how much he cares and knows best about the City Centre, and considering his warm relationship with ManCon and its' readership; it would be interesting to hear him justify why Manchester has now adopted its' parking charges and how he feels this brings vibrancy to the city...

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IanJune 27th 2013.

you have no time for someone who has a meal without drinking?

Hero
David FoxJune 27th 2013.

I am a 67 year old widow. I live off a state pension and a small nurses pension. I live on Meadow Road in Urmston. I drive a Nissan Micra. I would like to see the Saddleworth Brass band at the Bridgewater Hall. There are some seats for £12.50. The show starts at 7.00 pm. I would get a tad anxious if I am not there in plenty of time, so need to be at the Hall for 6:30pm. The show finishes at 9:45pm. I have sore hip but not so much so that I have seen any one about it yet. I really should. I would love to head in before the show for a bite to eat as it has been a while. Can Anonymous please tell the best way to get there and back.

Hero
Manc GuyJune 27th 2013.

You must be a senile old widow too DAVID, because you keep repeating yourself.

David in CheshireJune 27th 2013.

I avoid Paris, but in most French towns street parking is free between 12:00 and 14:00. Your red-blooded Frenchman cannot be expected to pay for parking when popping into town for lunch. The meters are clever enough to recognise this; they spread your payment over the chargeable hours, so if you arrive at 12:00 and stick a € into the machine to pay for an hour, you will be given leave to remain until 15:00. Just long enough for lunch.

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Hero
David FoxJune 27th 2013.

European city comparison to follow soon!

AnonymousJune 27th 2013.

No red blooded frenchman restricts his lunch to a measly two hours

DrakeJune 27th 2013.

What an utterly disingenuous piece of work. A comparison with two UK cities, a European capital and various bits of London. Not even sure what 'Lambeth-Westminster' is; the latter is not part of the former borough. Want to demonstrate whether it's the case, please do this like for like. What are the hours in Liverpool, Birmingham, Leeds, Nottingham, Bristol, Newcastle, Glasgow, etc? You might be quite correct (though you'd then have to start making hypotheses and trying to draw conclusions about level of trade, which will be quite hard to do I would think), but currently you're not saying anything.

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AnonymousJune 27th 2013.

Actually the figures are about short term parking in Central London etc. In fact most residents in London now pay for street parking outside their property.in driveless areeas.

AVOJune 28th 2013.

Whatever happened to the council's plan to offer city centre residents discounted on street parking during the hours that were chargeable?

JoanJune 28th 2013.

Avo: it's up and running. Has been for a while. If you're eligible and wish to purchase you should find it on line. Any problems let me know. cllr.j.davies@manchester.gov.uk

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AVOJune 28th 2013.

Just been on the council website (very slick and easy to use!), but all I can see is a link to discounted parking to city centre residents through NCP. Is this the only scheme. I'm in the process of going with the NCP however wanted to know the options that the council had for on street discounted parking if there were any. Thanks.

JoanJune 28th 2013.

Email parking.permits@manchester.gov.uk Let me know if any problems.

Manchester StevoJune 28th 2013.

Car parking is ugly. Ruins the look of streets. Build more underground and multi-storey car parks (that don't look like multi-storey car parks - multi-storey car parks are ugly). Remove all on street parking, make the pavements wider and plant trees. Build beautiful buildings and lovely open spaces where we currently have a plethora of surface car parks. Manchester looks very untidy at the moment.

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Trevor TavleJune 28th 2013.

Stevo, transport systems, whether horse drawn or engine fired are as much part of the city scene as the buildings. Always have been. Perhaps you want to remove the people as well. They get in the way of the buildings as well.

Manchester StevoJune 28th 2013.

Only the ugly ones...

CharlieJune 28th 2013.

No reason why a MSCP can't be designed as well as any other city building: www.flickr.com/…/set-72157624654452193…

AnonymousJune 29th 2013.

Parking costs and times vary in Central London by local authority a car park operator. I have just check Parkopedia for Camden/ Westmister where there is very little street parking and evening parking varies off street form £2 p hour to £7 p 7/24 hour but London residents are more likely to take a taxi or tube for a night out. a 10% London resident and a tube person or taxi (when accompanied.)

AnonymousAugust 4th 2013.

An interesting perspective on the parking charges issue from the Guardian www.theguardian.com/…/parking-fines-rocket-centre-addiction-power…

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