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Night And Day: The Other Side

Complainants, Councillors, Town Hall and back to the bar owners

Written by . Published on January 21st 2014.


Night And Day: The Other Side
 

 

UPDATE: 21 January 2014

Night & Day have released a statement on their website.

'We are currently in talks with the council and several acoustic engineers on adding extra sound proofing to the venue. We are doing everything we possibly can to resolve the issue. Again this will cost us a significant amount of money and we have in the past spent tens of thousands sound proofing the venue.

'We would like to clarify some things in regards to the statement made by the council last week and some comments that may have appeared in the media regarding communication. We rang the council as soon as we received the notice and have contacted them daily since it arrived. We also spoke to them about the situation before the notice was issued. 

We are not here to launch a hate campaign on any individual or Manchester City Council, we simply want to be allowed to continue to put on exciting events in the best way possible and will always cooperate regarding any issues we may cause in doing so.'

In response, the original complainant over noise who represents several of the flat owners told Confidential this morning: "We never wanted Night & Day to have to go to the expense of hiring sound engineers and and then maybe installing sound proofing. We never wanted the place to be threatened with being put out of business. We knew about the venue when we moved in and we respect what it brings the city. 

"We'd like to ask Night & Day to come to the flats with their sound engineers and with the council and then we can set a level that suits everybody. Maybe the bar could have a limiter so if sound levels are too high than the music cuts out. 

"I repeat we really want to work with Night & Day to resolve this."

Meanwhile, turning up the heat and pulling the heart strings, Guy Garvey of Elbow has stuck his oar in with a Guardian interview. 

THE TOPIC of Night & Day's future and potential closure has been making collars hot across the city over the past couple of days. Even more so since heavyweight musical figures such as Johnny Marr and Tim Burgess waded in to the fray.

It's gone all viral. The petition created by the Northern Quarter music bar has now reached 58,864 signatures and is still growing.

"This whole thing has gone to an extreme level and we feel it's now being used to gain customers and popularity. The notice doesn't mention closure and Night and Day have gathered the petition under false pretences. We don't want it closed.

But Confidential understands there are two sides to every story.

Initially, we spoke to the father and daughter duo behind Night & Day, Jan and Jen Oldenburg, to find out what was going on. They had this to say.

Night and DayNight and Day

Since then we've been in contact with the complainant, Councillors and the Council regarding the issue. So here it all is:

The Complainant (wishes to remain anonymous):

"Myself and my partner moved into the flat in May last year and between May and October it was fine. We didn't hear a peep. But then they turned the volume up from October. It's the bass and the drums. Even the council could clearly hear it when they came to monitor the noise. 

"I contacted Night & Day via their Facebook page and Jen [Oldenburg] got in contact. I tried to communicate that I wanted to work with them, not against them. I asked if they'd turned the music up but she was adamant they hadn't and we should move out if we didn't like it.

"I did warn them I'd get in contact with the council if it continued but they still refused to work with us. I've spoken to other residents in this building including one who has been here for twelve years and never had an issue. One resident said they've complained to the council before but it was all brushed under the carpet."

James TukeyComplainant supporter

"This whole thing has gone to an extreme level and we feel it's now being used to gain customers and popularity. The notice doesn't mention closure and Night & Day have gathered the petition under false pretences. We don't want it closed.

"It's taken over our lives. It's become unbearable. We can't sleep. We've had death threats. The phone keeps ringing. Night & Day have edited their Facebook page to show only those in support.

"Manchester has grown and residents and bars need to work together. I do feel for them but they've brought it on themselves. We wanted to work with them. I even invited them in to the flat to hear it for themselves.

"I feel strongly that the notice should stay in place until a solution has been reached. Night & Day have not announced that they are actually now working with the council, they're just letting it all unfold. The petition has more than 50,000 signatures but the council have told us they will not remove the notice."

Councillor Joan DaviesCouncillor Joan DaviesCouncillor Joan Davies:

"As a city centre councillor I have checked with our Environmental Health team and I'm pleased to hear that reports of the imminent death of Night & Day are wide of the mark. I really support Manchester’s resurgent live music scene and also the return to city centre living. We all need to live and work together; occasionally we need the help of council officers to help this happen. 

The club managers, acousticians, residents and I are talking to one another to reach a solution. These things can be resolved with a mix of tolerance, patience, and expertise. Rarely are successful cities built or revived on an ‘I was here first’ basis. We can be more resourceful in Manchester."

Councillor Kevin Peel (via citycentrelabour.org.uk):

“I’ve been attending gigs at Night & Day for many years and think it's a fantastic venue. That said, the right of venues to operate as they wish has to be balanced with the right of residents – wherever they live – to peace and quiet in their own home. 

Councillor Kevin PeelCouncillor Kevin Peel"As more people move into the city centre there will inevitably be tensions with new and existing pubs, bars, clubs, music venues and other premises. Most residents expect and accept a certain level of disruption, but all licensed premises have a responsibility to be good neighbours.

“In this instance communications were not sufficient between the operator, the residents and the council. I’m pleased to see this has now improved and hope an agreement can be reached which will satisfy all parties without the need for any adverse affect on either the venue or its neighbours.”

The Council issued this statement:

"We're legally obliged to investigate all complaints about noise nuisance. After receiving a series of complaints about the venue from one resident, we have spent several months trying to work with both parties but have now been forced to serve a noise abatement notice.

"However, this does not mean we are trying to close the Night & Day down, or that we do not support the city centre's long established live music scene. We now intend to work with the venue's management and the complainant to find a way of resolving the matter."

Town HallTown Hall

Night & Day owner Jan Oldenburg:             

"I'm being portrayed as uncooperative. I will happily work with anyone but turning down the music will spoil the party. They want me to turn the music down so it's not as loud but that's a compromise that means we can no longer do live music. It's a stealthy way of closing us.

"I want to put on top notch gigs and they're saying we want to close you down. I've even looked at buying the flat in question.

"We've spent £30,000 here insulating and people are still objecting. We do check our sound levels and amplifiers, but we need the music to be loud enough to hear. Bands will stop coming to play. We need the bands to stay open."

Night & Day received the Statutory Nuisance Abatement Notice on Wednesday 15 January. They have 21 days to appeal.

We'll be following the progress.

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AnonymousJanuary 17th 2014.

Wow, that's interesting. Especially the owners comments at the end. He keeps saying they are trying to shut him down. Is he saying the council and complainant are all lying I'm sorry, maybe I'm not getting this but is he saying the council are ordering him to turn down the music so low that that customers can't hear it? Hahahaha the guy sounds like a right drama queen

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AnonymousJanuary 17th 2014.

I like the bit where he says he is thinking of buying the apartment. He can afford to buy a city centre apartment but can't afford to get decent sound proofing :) Why doesn't offer the bloke comp to shut him up?

TimbucJanuary 18th 2014.

Why don't developers soundproof the flats adequately in the first place? Instead it's left to venue owners and flat owners to try to sort it out between themselves and inevitably it ends up back at the council who should be forcing developers to deal with it in the first place before giving the greenlight to planning permission.

Francis KinnearJanuary 22nd 2014.

When a live music venue gets served an noise abatement notice, it compromises it's ability to put on live music. This means they cannot afford to operate as a business, which means closure. Does this clear up any confusion you have on this?

Barry MaginnJanuary 17th 2014.

"I will happily work with anyone but turning down the music will spoil the party". What a spoilt child. How on earth is that being cooperative?

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Amanda EveryJanuary 21st 2014.

Exactly. Thumbs up, Barry.

Geoffrey WarnerJanuary 18th 2014.

I live in Old-Trafford and it is a similar story here... It is astounding that people buy a property in the full knowledge that it is close to venues and then find an excuse to start complaining about them.

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AnonymousJanuary 18th 2014.

What is really astounding is the amount of people who see only one side to the story and ignore the facts. The bar is reported to have put its volume up louder since October. They have been asked to bring it back down to the level it was before and have refused. It has feck all to do with people buying property and then finding excuses to complain.

Geoffrey WarnerJanuary 19th 2014.

I am looking at both sides of the argument and on the balance of probabilities it (as others have said), seems unlikely that they would suddenly turn up the sound after many years. I tend towards the view that a nimby has moved into an area, presumably to enjoy the vibrancy of city centre living and then decide they prefer tranquility. P.S. Your side of the story would have a lot more credibility if you posted in your own name, not hiding behind a keyboard.

RmmancJanuary 19th 2014.

I understand the person posting as anonymous after the guy complaining got so much abuse and death threats from idiots. I am one of the residents and the guy is telling the truth. He isn't a "nimby", he complained on behalf of a number of residents here after to speaking to us. If you look on the night and day facebook page you will see comments from other residents backing this up. The volume HAS gone up up since October but only on the odd band, usually mid week. I think he has made that point already. You don't live here, you haven't experienced what has gone on. Have you looked at the bar owners comments above? "They're saying they want to close us down" The guy is clearly overly dramatic or do you really believe the council and residents really said this to him? The past few days they have had a lot of bands on and guess what, the overall noise level was back to an acceptable level. Have the bands complained it was too low? Have the bands said they won't perform there again? Have the customers complained it was too quiet? I bet the answer to these questions will be no. You say you are looking at both sides of the argument but judging by your comments, it is clear you aren't

Geoffrey WarnerJanuary 19th 2014.

If what you are saying about "death threats" is true. That is a police matter. It would be taken very seriously and they would be (quite rightly) prosecuted and imprisoned. Has that really happened? Or is it melodrama? Like I said... I live next door to a football/ cricket ground. There is a small but vocal minority who choose to live there but take it upon themselves to complain about traffic, concerts, even firework displays that take place from time to time. I reckon that is what is going on here too. That is what some people are like. I know that from experience.

RMMANCJanuary 19th 2014.

The police have been involved, they have been to see the guy and there is a log number. The stupid death threats have been removed now from the Night and Day facebook page. I notice you keep ignoring the fact that it is a number of residents, the council fully investigated, stated it was a "severe" noise problem on the Saturday in both the apartments & bar and that the volume so far has now returned to what it was before. Well done to you for believing your opinion and belief outweighs those of the people who live here and have experienced it. It is clear that no matter what is said, you will take the bars side. Your comments and stubborn refusal to acknowledge the main points brought up clearly show you are biased towards the bar, no matter what...

Geoffrey WarnerJanuary 19th 2014.

I'm not biased towards the bar. Never been there in my life. Have no connection with it, or the proprietors in any way whatsoever. Just being objective. I look forward to you posting the outcome of the trial. After all; "threats to kill" is a very serious crime. I would be surprised if it would be simply a matter of logging it.

AnonymousJanuary 18th 2014.

Wouldn't it be better and cheaper to work on soundproofing the apartments (which on the previous article was promised by the original developer and failed materialise) to the standard they were supposed to have, than expecting the city centre to close down to a whisper.

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AnonymousJanuary 18th 2014.

On the previous article the comment was about the Smithfield building, not the apartments from where the complaints have come from. How would it be cheaper to get developers to further soundproof all the apartments in the area, rather than the owner turning down the volume to what it was before October?

TimbucJanuary 18th 2014.

Fair point IF they have turned the volume up. But they deny this is the case and why on earth would they suddenly turn it up after 23 years which achieves nothing other than bringing all this shit down on them. I call bullshit.

AnonymousJanuary 18th 2014.

They have turned up it. What shit exactly has been brought down on them? Lots of free advertising & publicity and a great big drama brought on by their refusal to work with anyone. If the volume hadn't gone up why has the complaint only been made in November? Why has the owner behaved like an arrogant arse & up till now refused to work with either the residents or the council? Why didn't he let the council go in, check the levels in the bar and clear the matter up in the first place? Why is he now lying and saying above that they have told him they want to close him down? Why is his version completely different to the Residents and the councils? Look at comments on other threads. It looks like it isn't the first time the owner has been like this!

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AnonymousJanuary 19th 2014.

The owner is in his rights to act like that if they haven't turned up the music (and why would they) and there is some moron moaning about it. Get some fetching ear muffs and sleep in those....

Barry TravisJanuary 19th 2014.

Love these kind of posts. Are you involved directly jn this because you seem to be posting an awful lot of statements there and presenting them as facts! Do you know for sure they've turned the music up? Or could it be a new resident mis-judging the level of noise when he bought/rented the property. Very few of us know the facts, but this is a live music venue....not a gathering of friends listening to some tunes on an ipod! The music must be at a certain level for it to sound good.... Seems to me the real question is why have the council allowed such a venue and a residential area to be in close proximity, its nailed on to cause problems

RmmancJanuary 19th 2014.

I will make the points I made on my comment above to somebody else. I am one of the residents and the guy is telling the truth. He complained on behalf of a number of residents here after speaking to us. If you look on the night and day facebook page you will see comments from other residents backing this up. The volume HAS gone up up since October but only on the odd band, usually mid week. I think he has made that point already. You don't live here, you haven't experienced what has gone on. Have you looked at the bar owners comments above? "They're saying they want to close us down" The guy is clearly overly dramatic or do you really believe the council and residents really said this to him? The past few days they have had a lot of bands on and guess what, the overall noise level was back to an acceptable level. Have the bands complained it was too low? Have the bands said they won't perform there again? Have the customers complained it was too quiet? I bet the answer to these questions will be no.

AnonymousJanuary 20th 2014.

Im the sound engineer & i can happily say ive not turned it up. Honest Guv'nor. Tisnt me, the local resident is the one you wants. Telling all those porkies and things. Saying that i cant hear anything but ringing with my tinnitus.

EditorialJanuary 19th 2014.

Folks, any more comments deemed personal and insulting will be removed. Intelligence and wit are always better than blind rage surely?

Hero
David FoxJanuary 19th 2014.

A relevant article to illustrate that the world is rarely black and white. Whilst I have sympathies with all sides, as I understand it the complainant has a legal right to complain about the noise and as Councillor Peel states the council has the legal obligation to investigate all complaints about noise. We can talk about the niceties of "All parties working together". The reality is that if the complainant chooses to put his/her foot down and the noise level is deemed a nuisance the council will have no choice but to close the premises if it continues. The alternative is that the premises has to change what it does or spend a large sum on further soundproofing. Both of these options will be commercially costly for a small independent who are more often than not "hanging on in there" rather than "rich beyond their wildest dreams. All be it on a different level, but there is a high profile similar issue with Ministry of Sound in London who potentially faced closure with the construction of some bijou flats nearby. Whatever your view of said venue, the owners have worked hard for many many years in what was a very unfashionable part of London creating a global brand and as my raving younger brother calls a tourist atr

Hero
David FoxJanuary 19th 2014.

..attraction. The constant uncertainty of potentially losing everything - which is a very real threat for many similar businesses is not a good one. However pragmatic a progressive council (which I believe Mcr to be) is on the matter, rules is rules and sadly in the long run their hands are tied.

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RMMANCJanuary 20th 2014.

Very well said David. The thing is, as one of the residents here. I would like to say that nobody has been asking them to turn the whole volume down. They had just been asked to keep it at the same level for all the bands as it was before October and not keep chancing their arm by turn up further on odd nights with the odd band. Or if what they say is true and they haven't adjusted the volume, work with the council to let them find out what is going on and how to resolve it. Interesting to note, this weekend has had a large line up of bands, some of which were declaring they would blast the complainer out with the noise ... the volume this weekend was back to normal and not a problem.

AnonymousJanuary 20th 2014.

Is this Odd band running their own Odd night? If so we need them to ask them to keep it down if its louder on their gigs. Totally unfair. Come on Odd, Keep it down a bit.

AnonymousJanuary 20th 2014.

Wow, Manchester City Council pragmatic and progressive. Have you ever tried to deal with the Planning team there? "The answer is NO, now what's the question?"

AnonymousJanuary 20th 2014.

I'm beginning to regret signing the petition. I'm sure if I was in the position of the flat owner - and the venue were being so petty - I would be annoyed too.

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AnonymousJanuary 20th 2014.

Oh and I'm not the flat owner, as RMMANC says, it's not a crime to post anonymously - I just don't think my work wants me posting on here at 10am Monday morning

RMMANCJanuary 20th 2014.

Just been told by the complainant that the owners of Night and Day have called the police and complained to the council about people making comments in the residents favour on here. They are claiming all the anonymous comments are him... I can assure you, I am not and the Resident has said he isn't either. Funny that the Night and Day owners didn't call the police over all the abusive comments being made on their facebook page or the death threats but will get straight on the phone to the police against people speaking up in favour of the residents... Somehow, I don't think it is a crime to post anonymously on Manchester confidential...

AnonymousJanuary 20th 2014.

'But Confidential understands there are two sides to every story.' HAHAHA...unless Mancon doesn't like your post!

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RMMANCJanuary 20th 2014.

Let me guess, are you Jan or Jen? As far as I can see Mancon have been non biased and accurately reported all sides of the story. They have kept comments from both sides. The only thing they did wrong in my opinion was releasing both sides separately. Or are you looking at another site to everybody else?

AnonymousJanuary 20th 2014.

Well. I now regret signing the petition. And no, I don't live there.

JayJanuary 20th 2014.

I too regret signing the petition.

AnonymousJanuary 20th 2014.

I'd hate to see Night & Day closed but I really feel for the flat owner too - the last time I was in Night & Day I left with my ears ringing and I've been to lots of other gigs where the sounds levels were spot on - it was too loud. Surely they can reach a compromise, otherwise it's giving out the message that city living is becoming increasingly undesirable.

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RMMANCJanuary 20th 2014.

That is worrying. The council stated that on the Saturday they witnessed "excessive noise" but the owners claim it "wasn’t even a particularly loud night for us" God only knows what they think a loud night is. If what you say is true, I would worry about the potential damage they could be doing to the hearing of their customers

Andrew JonesJanuary 20th 2014.

Me too. Can't believe some of the abuse that RMMANC and the resident are getting here. If the volume has not gone up, work with council's noise officers to show and resolve this.

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RMMANCJanuary 20th 2014.

Far more abuse has been thrown at us on the Night and Day facebook page. At first it was upsetting but I am getting desensitized to it now :-p When a lady from the council first visited the premises, she tried to offer them all sorts of advice and ways to tackle this, including checking the sound levels... they outright refused. You would think it would be in their best interests to work with council to prove their levels are fine...

JacobJanuary 20th 2014.

True or not, the volume going up is plausable. www.spring.org.uk/…/why-loud-music-in-bars-increases.php… Particularly in mid week when attendance is lower. Plus bands playing to half empty venues will do whatever they can to create an atmosphere. It's up to the venue to police the sound levels but it's understandable that their first concern would be the success of the night. I'd say that ear-splitting volume is not that necessary but then I am in my forties and my hearing's already been damaged by a wedding present gig at the academy. Venues and bands could get away with lower volume if the audience didn't insist on shouting to each other all the way through the gigs. These days you have to stand near a speaker just to drown out the chat.

JacobJanuary 20th 2014.

Interesting in light of the current controversy. www.theguardian.com/…/ask-indie-professor-sound-engineer…

AnonymousJanuary 20th 2014.

A lot of this seems to be inference, assuming whether the volume has actually gone up or not. If another resident agrees then it is easy to presume it is true. Unfortunately there is no way of back dating whether this is true as because the unit will never own up to turning the volume up (if they did). As it is now and again and not all the time it is often down to the band that is playing. Acoustic bands are not going to cause major noise disruptions but a heavy bass band may do. Going forward could both parties invest in a decibel level reader? This would confirm whether the volume has been turned up or not going forward. If it hits a certain Level as agreed by the council then the residents would have a valid claim. This would be a much more affordable option.

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RMMANCJanuary 20th 2014.

I believe that was one of the options put forward by the council... the bar owner said no. The thing is, there are heavy bass bands on and some are really loud, some are not. Up until October this year none of them were excessively loud, so what happened towards the end of October for it to suddenly get louder ...

Mark JaggerJanuary 20th 2014.

''I contacted Night and Day via facebook'' enough said,,,, You live next door!Good grief,sorry Night and Day looks like you may a pillock on your hands.

lukeunabomberJanuary 20th 2014.

ive lived in the Northern quarter for 22 years and the city centre for 25 years.Presently i live above a very loud bar 12 years on. When i moved into the Tib street area in 1992( yes not 2012) there was nothing there, infact Tib street after 5pm was a tumble weed ghost town. you see I was HERE BEFORE ALL these bars.these days i get woken occasionally by basslines and shouting BUT i have NEVER ONCE complained.not once.Unlike these beige fools who move in and make constant complaints i have 25 years experience before them and love the fact the city is filled with music, voices and bustle. . if i wanted what they wanted i would never have moved to such an area. it really is THAT SIMPLE. Support night and day and don't trust these carboard cut out johnny come lately idiots imposing their cheshire loft nazi bullshit. we were never bieng boring. dont like it? move.

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AnonymousJanuary 20th 2014.

Godwins.

ShowbizseanJanuary 20th 2014.

Agreed. when I lived in Soho the noise of music & street craziness went on till 3am...then at 5am the market stalls started setting up...did I complain? NO!!!!...I was living in the middle of Soho FFS...what did I expect!!! If I had wanted peace & quiet I'd have lived in a nice cul-de-sac. So if you choose to live in the middle of the city centre then turn up your TV, buy earplugs or better yet go downstairs, buy a beer and watch the band. But do stop being an arse.

RMMANCJanuary 20th 2014.

All your comments show is that you are either lying to garner support for Night and Day or you are the sort of fools who just roll over and let people treat you like crap. I wouldn't be surprised if you were just fake accounts created by the bar because you don't like the fact people are taking the side of the Residents. As with so many people jumping on the bandwagon of abuse, you completely ignore the facts of the story, in favour of the sensationalist drivel spouted by the owners of the bar. You seriously expect people to believe that if somebody suddenly turns up the volume a lot louder, you would say nothing? It is noticeable though that those in favour of the bar seem to be incapable of actually commenting without swearing or being abusive. It really doesn't show the support for the bar in a good light. I await a fake account created by someone in the bar that knows how to debate like an adult :-)

lukeunabomberJanuary 20th 2014.

my name is luke cowdrey . i live on dorsey street . a northern quater resident since 1992. any more?do your home work lad

lukeunabomberJanuary 20th 2014.

been drinking in this area since 1986 ... too ....so come on then clever lad...what ya saying? google it love x

lukeunabomberJanuary 20th 2014.

ps not im anonymous you see... 2 decades of living here and telling you my thoughts

RMMANCJanuary 20th 2014.

Yes and you called us Nazis, hardly shows your debating skills. Let me guess you perform at Night and Day so of course your opinion would be completely unbiased wouldn't it...

lukeunabomberJanuary 20th 2014.

NO I DONT... to repeat . im A RESIDENT...and im tierd of fools who move into area that they know nothing about

lukeunabomberJanuary 20th 2014.

seems youre wrong on all youre assumptions lad

RMMANCJanuary 20th 2014.

and it seems so are you :-)

AnonymousJanuary 22nd 2014.

So is it you Luke? The person responsible for the beards, tweed and air of smugness about the place? If not, when did all that start to happen? I'm sure you've seen some changes over the years, or was it always like that but without the tweed and beards? I know some of Craft Centre folk were up themselves in the early nineties.

AnonymousJanuary 23rd 2014.

Legend.

MCR Cuture VultureJanuary 20th 2014.

The people who have complained really have no right to complain. Everyone has said it and I will say it again and other people will say. "You idiots shouldn't move into an apartment in the centre of a busy street next to live venue with a 2am licence is you don't want to hear any noice". It's common sense, do your homework! Its like buying a house. if you don't want flooding, you don't move into a house near a river or a flood plain do you, so why move next to a live venue is beyond me. I know through Jan and Co that this has happenned before with previous tenants and no doubt it will happen again. Night and Day won't shut down, a compromise will be made - until they turn it up again! I can quite imagine Jan giving this type of response; "They want me to turn the music down so it's not as loud.... they want to close us down etc..." but this is Jan in his frivlous way of speaking and no doubt the reporter from MC having a fun chat about the issue and then MC quoting Jan's comments - it's typical of how the media works. Jan wants to find a solution to this, and to be honest he will edge it down, but the ulitmate solution is for the tenants to move out to Ancoats where there is no life!

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RMMANCJanuary 20th 2014.

aah yes, good old Jan with his frivolous way of speaking ... others call it arrogance. Jan so wants to find a solution to this that he chose to be rude and refused to work either the tenants or the council up until this point. I suspect this is another account possibly created by either Jan or Jen. You conveniently ignore the comments of customers who have also complained about the level of noise on occasion. It is interesting that this had been pushed as being an issue with just one resident but now suddenly there is admittance that this has happened before with others. Also I notice you admit that they have turned the volume up. Oh and regarding your comments on people not moving next to rivers or floodplains... tell that to all the people who have. The fact is, the residents did move in knowing there was a live venue and they only complained recently because the volume went up further to level that was unacceptable. One of the Residents has lived here 12 years and you expect him to just sell up and move out instead of trying to sort out the issue? Did IQs in Manchester suddenly drop?

Hero
David FoxJanuary 20th 2014.

Now you see dear fellow they do have a right to complain and the council has an OBLIGATION to respond to that complaint. I have no doubt as to the integrity of Councillor Davies and Peel but you see they have to act on the advice of the EHO on the tardy matter of noise pollution. EHO will advise based on guidelines and it may well be Good Night. In this instance the complainant may well be being reasonable, but at sometime in the future another occupant resembling the description referred to by that Cowdrey chap above will arrive "imposing their cheshire loft nazi bullshit" and it will be all over.

AnonymousJanuary 20th 2014.

If the city centre is to become a good place to live for a balanced community it needs to move beyond the youth orientated image it has now. A vibrant, modern residential city centre should be a place for people of all ages and tastes, not just young adults enjoying their pop music and booze and being so sophisticated compared to the rest of us. As for all this sniping about the suburbs and how dull they are, I wouldn't mind betting that Night and Day and lots of other noisy city centre establishments cater mostly for people from those quiet suburbs, not hip, fashionable city centre dwellers. So just how trendy are they?

MCR Cuture VultureJanuary 20th 2014.

Ha, that's funny. "Did IQs in Manchester suddenly drop?" Yeah, when they moved into a block next to a live venue. Oh, and I am not associated to N&D, neither is this a new account by N&D. I have had this account for years and for the record - I haven't been in the venue for years, but used to be a regular many moons ago - mainly after the music stopped (its always been too loud in there for me, that's why I didn't buy a flat next door!). I had the IQ to check it out first!

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RMMANCJanuary 20th 2014.

What part of "the volume went up louder in October" don't you get? and stating the volume in the venue was always too loud for you, doesn't do the bar any favours. I guess nobody should live in the city centre then because, as you see it, if a bar like N&D pushes it luck and puts the volume up louder ... the only people to blame are the residents...

MCR Cuture VultureJanuary 20th 2014.

Its only too loud for me as I don;t like loud places - probably as the compiants don't - but then as I keep saying, its the reason I don't live next door to loud venues where one expects noise - particularly when one lives next door to a live venue! It's why I live in the suburbs.

AnonymousJanuary 20th 2014.

Bored now. Lets have a vote on our city centre: Music or Gentrification?

Mark JaggerJanuary 20th 2014.

Buyer beware, then moan,whinge,whine and make out your hard done to

AnonymousJanuary 21st 2014.

Maybe the reason RMMANC is getting so many death threats is because they are sitting on here sulking at every comment that supports the N&D, then insulting those that make valid comments on the other side. Maybe do yourself a favour and get out of the house a bit more then you wont have to listen to the noise....

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RMMANCJanuary 21st 2014.

I'm not getting death threats. They were aimed at the guy who involved the council. I'm also not sitting on here "skulking" at every comment. I am merely making sure people know the truth. Check the thread, I hadn't commented since yesterday. If you have an issue with that, thats your problem, not mine. Who have I insulted that made a valid comment in support of the bar? You clearly need a bridge to sit under...

David BishopJanuary 21st 2014.

I'm amazed the council has done anything... when I lived above an Abduls in Oxford Road they did absolutely nothing about music they played well into the early hours despite monitoring and all other sorts of intervention

AnonymousJanuary 21st 2014.

Well my neighbour was doing some heavy duty DIY At about 8pm recently. I knocked on his door and asked him to stop. He kindly did. I do live in the suburbs though.

AnonymousJanuary 22nd 2014.

The ice cream van really pisses me off.

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AnonymousJanuary 22nd 2014.

what's that got to do with this story

AnonymousJanuary 22nd 2014.

If this is only happening on certain nights with certain bands, then it probably relates to the backline supplied by the bands themselves, and the bands turning the levels up after the sound check. You get a bass player cranking up their big amps, and the sound engineer then ends up notching the other parts up to compensate as they have no control over the bass players amp, and it will sound rubbish if they don't mix the rest of the band to compensate for the loudest bit of the backline. And if people's ears are ringing that's generally down to distortion, which usually happens when a DJ is red lining the mixer, so down to individual DJs rather than the venue. Unfortunately the more the venue turns the amps down, the more an errant DJ will turn the gain up on the mixer, causing greater distortion, so it's about educating the DJ's and bands rather than sound proofing etc really, which unfortunately is relatively hard to do. source - 15 years promoting club nights, music events, DJing etc

AnonymousJanuary 23rd 2014.

Having lived near bars (in another city) for a number of years and dealing with the stressed caused by loud music/noise I can totally appreciate where the tenants are coming from. The usual response from bar owners in my situation was "don't live in the city centre then"(!), and they and the local Council were much less interested in dealing with the problem. Yes, you should accept a certain level of noise living in the city centre but noise limit levels are there for a reason and if bars stick to those then there shouldn't be a problem. Its encouraging to note that in this case everyone wants to work together to solve the problem. I hope it works out!

AnonymousJanuary 24th 2014.

Live music in the comfort of your own home.....what's not to love? Add to that you don't have to use the terrible N&D toilets, drink warm cans of Red Stripe and look at the grumpy staff (well, they were when I used to play/go in about 15 years ago)

AnonymousJanuary 24th 2014.

I fully appreciate the residents right to complain and why should they be Bullied ?. I'm sure many have to get up and work to earn a living after being kept awake by the racket , I know how much this can impede on your daily life as myself and other local residents in Salford , regulary have to endure the same from Islington Mill , which stands in a RESIDENTIAL AREA . going on till 8am . Salford Council show no interest here, Sound Proofing of Venues should be required for such nights

IndigobaobabJanuary 24th 2014.

Sounds like shoddy building to me if residents near live music venues are complainig about noise (Night and Day and Islington Mill). Surely insulating against outside noise should be part of the council's building regulations? Otherwise inner city living will cause the death of inner city life as we know it.

AnonymousFebruary 18th 2014.

Is it true what we are hear that there is a court date for Night & Day Bar set in March (What's going on as there has been NO update's on any matters for age's now) Please can someone tell us from your team if your doing an update to this story?

AnonymousFebruary 19th 2014.

I have just found this guys Night & Day Court Case 6th March 2014 read Follow up story here www.mancunianmatters.co.uk/…/190267822-night-and-day-noise-row-owners-face-huge-fines-or-prison-if-council-chiefs-carry…

AnonymousFebruary 19th 2014.

Is any-one from your team going to be doing a follow up story ?

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