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'MCR Must Receive Same Treatment As Scotland'

Graham Stringer, MP for Blackley and Broughton, wants more

Published on September 20th 2014.


'MCR Must Receive Same Treatment As Scotland'
 

THE Scottish people have voted decisively by a majority of 10% not to become an independent country. This means, as Alex Salmond says, there will not be even be the option for another referendum for a generation. This is good news for Scotland.

To perpetuate the unfairness of this funding formula in law is outrageous and will lead to more dissatisfaction in the English regions who already suffer from disproportionate amounts of money being allocated to London. 

The Scottish Parliament can now move from being an elected quango to an elected assembly with the power to raise taxes, legislate and choose its executive to run the vast majority of public services.

It was always anomalous that the Scottish Parliament did not have to go through the painful process of raising taxes to support its expenditure. The Scots had managed to achieve the enviable position of having representation without direct taxation. This has led to the fantasy world of SNP politics and the Yes Campaign where promise after promise could be made without the electorate being upset by tax hikes. The link between taxation and representation is at the heart of the democratic ideal.

These changes will transform Scottish politics. I hope they manage to combine the energy and enthusiasm from both the Yes and No campaigns for a better future for Scotland. One must also hope that the thuggish, nasty elements displayed mainly by the Yes supporters disappear from their politics along with religious sectarianism.

The path for Scotland is now clearly set out; they should make the best of it.

Stormy Manchester: political unrest across England unless imbalances between Scotland and its ten times bigger in population neighbour unless change comes

Stormy Manchester: political unrest across England unless imbalances between Scotland and the English regions aren't ironed out

The really interesting questions are what does all this mean for England and its regions.

The Prime Minster David Cameron’s performance during the campaign was pathetic. He tried three tactics each one worse than the last. First he was invisible, then he was tearful and finally he tried bribery.

Panicked by an opinion poll 10 days before the vote which put yes to independence slightly ahead for the first time, he decided to offer more money and powers to Scotland. This was supported by Nick Clegg, the Leader of the Lib Dems and Ed Miliband, the Leader of the Labour Party.

The awkwardly named ‘devo max’ option. This was distinctly peculiar as Cameron had decided that this option would not be permitted on the ballot paper.

The Scots will receive £4.5billion more for public services than they would get if they were supported at the same level as England. This amounts to £1,500 more for every person living in Scotland. The decision to do this was taken without consultation with MPs or appearing in any party’s manifesto. To perpetuate the unfairness of this funding formula in law is outrageous and will lead to more dissatisfaction in the English regions who already suffer from disproportionate amounts of money being allocated to London. It cannot reasonably be supported by English MPs.

Cameron, having fleeced England as the price for his incompetence has now decided to knife the Labour Party. He intends to stop Scottish, Welsh and Northern Ireland MPs voting on English policies in areas that have been devolved to those three countries. The argument goes if a Scottish MP can’t vote on Scottish education because it’s devolved why should they be allowed to vote on English educational matters? This will give the Conservatives an almost permanent majority. Again the English regions miss out.

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Greater Manchester, which is more than half the size of Scotland and a similar size to Wales by population, should be given the same powers and financial support as Scotland.

The real answer to the so called West Lothian problem is to devolve power to the English regions. Greater Manchester, which is more than half the size of Scotland and a similar size to Wales by population, should be given the same powers and financial support as Scotland.

The three party leaders are trying to rush Parliament blindfolded into a major constitutional arrangement which will have devastating consequences for Manchester.  This is unacceptable.

Ed Miliband who was peripheral to the whole referendum debate needs to show real leadership. He should withdraw from the All Party Agreement which will do permanent damage to Manchester and other city regions. The current timetable proposed by Cameron cannot be delivered. Miliband needs to dig his heals in and not allow the Conservatives to take advantage of the headless chicken moment. We need to be fair to Scotland but even more consideration needs to be given to the English regions who have suffered over the last 20 years.

It would be perverse if a vote in Scotland to remain part of the United Kingdom led to a constitutional settlement that permanently discriminated against the English region without English voters ever casting a vote.

Graham StringerGraham StringerGraham Stringer is the Labour MP for Blackley and Broughton with a majority of 12,303. He was elected to Parliament in 1997 for the now abolished constituency of Manchester Blackley.

Prior to this he was the Leader of Manchester City Council from 1984-1996. 

He is one of the few MPs to have science experience, as a professional analytical chemist. He is a member of The Science and Technology Committee at Westminster. 

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89 comments so far, continue the conversation, write a comment.

DavidSeptember 20th 2014.

Scotland got more powers,a independence poll and more devolution because of the SNP not Labour.Scottish Labour ran and made a shambles of running the No campaign. Northern Labour MPs are pathetic cowards,they had the power to demand more resources,because Labour government would fall if they voted on mass against it.Stringer in reality is all bluster,just like he was about Brown,Daresbury,Metrolink and location national stadium.Instead of directing your complaints to Cameron for party political reasons,please explain why you did not do anything during three Labour governments to change the situation.

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Barry MaginnSeptember 20th 2014.

Not a big Labour fan David, are you? You hid it well but a couple of little slips gave it away.

AnonymousSeptember 20th 2014.

I thought Stringer, along with Bob Scott, was one of your heroes, Dave?

DavidSeptember 20th 2014.

Mr Stringer was much more suited to being in charge of the council than being a MP.If the situation was reversed and it was the Tories with a majority in the north they would deserve to be blamed.But we have Labour majorities in the North yet they do nothing to help the North.They are utterly spineless.

Jonathan Schofield - editorSeptember 20th 2014.

David, if you want to write for us and articulate opinions pitch me and I'll consider an article but then you can be ranted against and it's not for you to reply unless I say so. I simply do not want intelligent conversation dominated by people's reaction to your monomania. You must surely understand that you are becoming a fool, but even worse a cliche, to so many people the classic internet warrior. Calm it down otherwise all your rants get removed from this moment.

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Poster BoySeptember 24th 2014.

You have missed a trick not getting David accreditation for the Conference and asking him to review it...

John GouldSeptember 21st 2014.

Would you really trust the current leaders of Manchester, Salford and Liverpool to spend money wisely? They'd all build monuments to their egos, need Directors of Everything to insulate them from any decision made and spend money on pet projects rather than what would be best for the economic benefit of the region.

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AnonymousSeptember 21st 2014.

Which numpty signed off Library Walk?

AnonymousSeptember 22nd 2014.

Sir Richard Leese is set against a new city region elected mayor & authority isn't he? He simply wants any new powers to be handed down to him and the other existing borough leaders doesn't he? The sheer unaccountable arrogance of it!!!

Kevin PeelSeptember 21st 2014.

I completely agree with Graham that English cities and regions (and city regions) need significant, urgent (but considered) devolution of power and funding. The disaffection expressed by 45% of Scots about being ruled by an increasingly out of touch Westminster elite is no less strongly felt here in Greater Manchester, or Liverpool, or Lancashire. I'm pleased to see Labour committing to a constitutional convention. This should begin in earnest immediately. But it should not be a closed conversation of the political elite but an open and honest discussion with the public about the sort of local governance they want to see. For my part I have always argued strongly for a directly elected mayor for Greater Manchester with significant powers, alongside further powers for the 10 authorities and for local communities, particularly in the area of planning.

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AnonymousSeptember 21st 2014.

Well let's start with some local democracy in Manchester shall we Mr Peel? The present situation with one party running the entire thing while only 21% of the electorate voted for them is hardly ideal is it?

Barry MaginnSeptember 21st 2014.

Low voter turn-out and how that translates to seats won isn't the fault of the Party in power, is it? It is a much more deep-rooted and cross-party issue of voter disengagement - especially in local elections. Certainly it is ridiculous to suggest that the Labour party should give up some seats they legitimately won due to low turnout! I mean do I really need to point out that these are massively different issues?

AnonymousSeptember 21st 2014.

It most certainly IS the fault of the politicians that there is low turn out. You can hardly expect people to vote in elections that ignore to voting patterns of the community they live in. I don't vote anymore as a protest against the system. Many others don't vote because they see it as a meaningless waste of time. A lot of people voted for Tory, Lib Dem, Green, UKIP in the last local election and there is not one person from any of those parties on the council. It is ridiculous to suggest that Labour won 100% of the seats on the council legitimately off 21% of the electorate. They shouldn't give up some of the seats they should give up huge numbers and restore democracy to the city. You, Barry Maginn, are not a democrat and labour takes comfort in your support of their stranglehold on power in this city.

AnonymousSeptember 21st 2014.

Local councils have no money and no powers. Relatively speaking. We live in one of the most centralised countries in the western world. Just perhaps that is why people are disengaged from politics in general and local politics in particular?

ShybaldbuddhistSeptember 22nd 2014.

If you aren't happy with how Labour are running things then vote. It wouldn't take a lot of stay at home no voters to change things.

AnonymousSeptember 22nd 2014.

How about Labour and the rest start doing what people actually want and then we will start voting? The ball is in their court, they (all political parties) have the power. One person sticking a cross on a piece of paper won't change a thing. Change has to be at the top first and they won't do it because it suits them. All us lesser mortals can do is try and dodge the **** they throw at us.

AnonymousSeptember 22nd 2014.

Because they have no interest in you voting. The fewer people who vote, the less accountable they are, and the less effort they have to make.

AnonymousSeptember 22nd 2014.

One person putting an x on a bit of paper does change things. If everyone thought like you then a party could be in charge of a region when just 21% of the population voted for them.

AnonymousSeptember 22nd 2014.

Anyone who thinks that putting an x on a voting slip deludes themselves. There must be a number of votes that can be attained where it does but 1000s of people voted Tory, Lib Dem, Green and UKIP but Labour still got every seat in the Town Hall. Democracy isn't dead in Manchester, we go through the motions, but it's on it's death bed. Places like N. Korea and Zimbabwe also go through the motions of course.

AnonymousSeptember 22nd 2014.

People are disengaged because so much power is held in the centre, remote from people's everyday concerns and needs. This is NOT a labour / Tory issue. This is a Westminster vs localism issue. In the same way that the Scottish referendum was about Westminster hoarding power and not looking after the needs of the scots, so we have the same problem in England. Councils have no money and no power. An english parliament would make no difference. What we need are powers devolving down to local authorities.

AnonymousSeptember 22nd 2014.

People are disengaged because so much power is held in the centre, remote from people's everyday concerns and needs. This is NOT a labour / Tory issue. This is a Westminster vs localism issue. In the same way that the Scottish referendum was about Westminster hoarding power and not looking after the needs of the scots, so we have the same problem in England. Councils have no money and no power. An english parliament would make no difference. What we need are powers devolving down to local authorities.

DavidSeptember 21st 2014.

Labour is suffering in Manchester from a legitimacy crisis.It would actually benefit if it had a opposition in the council to compete against.For that reason although it would cost them seats they should advocate a different local electoral system,which would also lead to a higher voter turnout. Its not good having large areas of South either where Labour voters are in the same position as Tory voters in the north.This just leads to apathy and low turnout and out of touch councils.

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AnonymousSeptember 22nd 2014.

Well that problem is easily solved isn't it - just introduce PR for local elections. Sadly it won't happen though because the Tory hierarchy don't seem to give a damn about their lack of representation in the North & Scotland. PR would give them a foothold to build from - as well as preventing "one party" Manchester from inevitably becoming a rotten borough now.

AnonymousSeptember 22nd 2014.

Manchester is a one party state rotten borough already. Sad thing is it was a leader against the original rotten boroughs and has become what it once stood up against.

DavidSeptember 21st 2014.

If I were Ed Miliband this week I would spring a surprise on the Tories and advocate English home rule,with a English Parliament and devolved powers to the regions and an end to the Barnet formula.Position Labour as the party of English nationalism,put the party back in tune with the working class who are much more proud of country than middle class socialist intellectuals.Reclaim the patriotic tag from UKIP and Tories,and be prepared to sacrifice your seats in Scotland in the belief you can win in England.A symbolic name change to the English Labour Party would help to.

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Simon GSeptember 21st 2014.

That would be suicidal for both Miliband and the Labour party.

AnonymousSeptember 21st 2014.

If I was Ed Milliband I'd resign because I'd have realised by now I'm completely out of my depth and not really the person to be a PM...

Mark FullerSeptember 21st 2014.

I don't believe for a moment that David Cameron is an English patriot-I see him as an establishment Euro-phile. But his English home rule proposal is clever and has put Labour on the back foot. Labours' refusal to address the West Lothian question is pure hubris with more power and autonomy being transferred up to our Scottish friends. Once again, Labours' claim to be the party of equality and fairness is shown to be false.

AnonymousSeptember 21st 2014.

Who needs an English parliament. Ludicrous idea. We already have one of those. It's called Westminster.

AnonymousSeptember 21st 2014.

Labour has to engage with people in England. Even if they were to win a general election, once Scottish MPs are stopped from voting on issues affecting England they won't be able to put their policies into effect. Labour are as unelectable in many parts of England as the Tories are in Scotland. They are out of touch with ordinary people in England. They are just a bunch of posh boys (and girls), part of an out of touch, London Based political elite, middle and upper class intellectual socialists who have been to Oxford and Cambridge and think they know what is good for the rest of us.

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AnonymousSeptember 21st 2014.

And the Labour people who were born and bred in the north don't have the backbone to stand up to their leaders in London. They are in awe of them as the servants in Downton Abbey are in awe of their betters on the other side of the green baize door.

AnonymousSeptember 22nd 2014.

I think they call it Stockholm syndrome. Working class Labour voters in the North and 55% of the Scots seem to suffer from it?

Robin MacleanSeptember 21st 2014.

I hope what's happening in Scotland will inspire the people of Manchester......We too were fed up going cap in hand to Westminster. 85% of voters voted!!...Scottish labour seems very like Manchester but in Scotland when new labour casted their socialist clothes SNP donned them.....as a result we have a fairer society...in saying that we have a way to go....too many food banks,bedroom tax etc. The Tories will remain right wing with the rise of ukip.....labour will have to return to their traditional values and not be another right wing party......if this doesn't happen Manchurians will have to unite as a broad base party get 85% of Manchurians to demand a fairer share of Britains' wealthF

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MaggieSeptember 21st 2014.

Flipping Heck! I know the Chinese are becoming a bit of a world super power but does that mean that the people of Manchester have to become Manchurians?

AnonymousSeptember 21st 2014.

@Maggie Zzzzz

Robin MacleanSeptember 21st 2014.

Sorry Maggie...mancunians

DavidSeptember 21st 2014.

Why are the people of England less entitled to home rule than the Scots,Irish or Welsh?.Why does our identity as a nation have to continually suppressed for the benefit of the establishment?.We should have own national anthem as well.

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Robin MacleanSeptember 21st 2014.

David....Because you've not fought for it

AnonymousSeptember 21st 2014.

@Robin Zzzzzz

AnonymousSeptember 21st 2014.

After this Scottish chest beating, I'm going to say I'm English from now on.

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Robin MacleanSeptember 21st 2014.

Good for you.....why didn't you say it before?

AnonymousSeptember 22nd 2014.

Well you know that outside of football games, saying you're English or flaunting the English flag sometimes draws unwanted attention from misguided folk.

DavidSeptember 22nd 2014.

Labour is treating England like some colony,that cannot be trusted with democracy,in case they elect the wrong sort of people.We it seems cannot have democracy because we might keep electing Tory governments.

Barry MaginnSeptember 22nd 2014.

David can you seriously stop bringing everything back to Labour bashing. It's just boring more than anything else.

AnonymousSeptember 22nd 2014.

Westminster treats England as some sort of colony. This is NOT a party political issue. Don't be so stupid and tiresome David.

AnonymousSeptember 22nd 2014.

Westminster treats England as some sort of colony. This is NOT a party political issue. Don't be so stupid and tiresome David.

AnonymousSeptember 22nd 2014.

But Labour needs to be bashed at every opportunity or they might get back in again and repeat all the mistakes of the last time they were in. Unnecessary involvement in un winnable wars and spending money we haven't got that was why the economic crash was so severe in this country. Labour caused the austerity we are now suffering from. And their answer to it? Borrow more money! Just the same policy that got us in the mess to start with.

not even a labour supporterSeptember 22nd 2014.

"spending money we haven't got that was why the economic crash was so severe in this country. Labour caused the austerity we are now suffering from. And their answer to it? Borrow more money!" Utter bollocks, you've been brainwashed by Coalition propaganda and their supporting press. What's it like to be so easily hoodwinked?

AnonymousSeptember 22nd 2014.

I think, if you think about it properly, that you're the one who has been brainwashed by Labour propaganda. Please tell me what it's like to be so easily hoodwinked. I'm interested to know how it feels.

not even a labour supporterSeptember 22nd 2014.

So your argument is "I know what you are but what am I?" Are you 8 years old?

AnonymousSeptember 22nd 2014.

I think NEALS must be reading too much of the Daily Mirror and the Manchester Evening News or possibly The Guardian. The left wing press is full of apologetic twaddle for the Labour party.

Ghostly TomSeptember 22nd 2014.

Judging by the second comment by NEALS it must be The Guardian, it makes no senses at all

not even a labour supporterSeptember 22nd 2014.

Well then think harder, Anon. Are the words 'Not Even A Labour Supporter' not simple enough for you?

not even a labour supporterSeptember 22nd 2014.

Ghostly Tom if you're finding it hard to understand, please ask an adult for help.

Ghostly TomSeptember 22nd 2014.

Well that would exclude you judging by the intelligence of your comments and the standard of your English wouldn't it? You seem to be a poster who thinks insulting someone is intelligent debate. It isn't. See you in the sixth form common room. Wait! I left that years ago.

not even a labour supporterSeptember 22nd 2014.

"You seem to be a poster who thinks insulting someone is intelligent debate." Where did I say that? Of course it's not intelligent debate - there's only so many hours in the day and I'm not going to waste them trying to constructively engage with the obviously thick.

Ghostly TomSeptember 22nd 2014.

You have obviously missed the point of intelligent debate. I made the comment about intelligent debate and it was my mistake to assume that NEALS was capable of it. Not so it seems. Pity...

AnonymousSeptember 22nd 2014.

Some people appear to have forgotten that it was the banks that needed bailing out to the tune of many billions of pounds. It was a banking crisis not because we built a few much needed schools and hospitals.

AnonymousSeptember 22nd 2014.

There was a banking crisis but it was made worse by. Labour government who thought the good times were going to roll for ever and spent more money than was coming in even in the good years. They were financially incompetent and are in Manchester trying to persuade us that they have changed but people aren't biting. Interesting that Ed Balls intends to do what George Osborne has been doing for the last 4 years. I hear he's announced a cap on child benefit.

AnonymousSeptember 22nd 2014.

Deficits under the last labour government were no more than in previous Tory governments. The reason that Osborne is struggling to bring the current one down is because of his incompetent handling of the economy which has grown slower than almost every other leading economy, emerged from recession later and what jobs have been generated are the usual low skill, low paid ones that rely on the state benefits to top them up whilst public services are slashed and burned.

AnonymousSeptember 22nd 2014.

The UK economy is doing better than all of the developed nation atm. Or aren't we counting Germany, France , Spain, Italy, the USA as developed any more? If Labour had been in charge we would have been Greece. Labour are financially incompetent, a position that the majority of the country agrees with with most people wanting the present government to run the economy. In an attempt to appear fiscally sound Ed Balls is taking the present governments policies as I post in Central.

AnonymousSeptember 22nd 2014.

Osborne's reckless ideologically motivated slash and burn policy has had precisely the opposite intended effect. It has actually suppressed growth meaning, in fact, we have emerged from recession long after all those economies you list. Osborne is reckless and an incompetent.

AnonymousSeptember 22nd 2014.

Anyway, enough of this Westminster playground stuff. What about devolution to the Manchester City Region. If we had more control over our own affairs we wouldn't have to worry as much about policy designed for cheap newspaper headlines or to pander to one small section if the country or society. You're all missing the point.

Robin MacleanSeptember 22nd 2014.

Anonymous I don't understand that. You should be proud of your identity....especially when you are in your country..you are not even confident enough to give your name.....or am I missing something?

Poster BoySeptember 22nd 2014.

Once again Mr Stringer gets to the point of the argument, but doesn’t make it. He is absolutely correct that the existing Scottish Parliament is a fantasy quango without fiscal responsibility. A perfect storm, another legacy created by the Blair Labour Government thanks to its establishment of undemocratic national Parliaments and Assemblies in 1997. Mr Stringer should have the strength of his conviction and admit national devolution does not work and is incompatible with a United Kingdom. He doesn’t do so because Labour’s position (unsurprisingly) is served by self interest and the Tories by having a strategy for, and by playing the longer referendum game, have out manoeuvred them. The performance of all three party leaders in the referendum was weak and defeatist but they were playing the cards dealt by a broken system. Having Gordon Brown rediscover his mojo, by making up promises as he went along was desperate and patronising. Devolving more power to the English regions in isolation is a sticking plaster which ignores the fundamental question of how the UK as a whole is governed. To add an English Parliament and have a UK Parliament (wither the House of Lords?) is a nonsense. To have English MP’s in a national parliament voting on English laws is nonsense. Miliband’s Constitutional Convention is fudge that resonates with no one, least of all the man in the street. Home Rule for the English is Daily Mail rhetoric direct from the 1922 Committee. Forget the promises, forget the timetable, scrap the national assemblies, remove the divisiveness, devolve power to the regions (whatever they are), negate the narrow party politics and retain a national Parliament and the strength of the Union. Aberdeen doesn’t want to be ruled by Edinburgh any more than Manchester wants to be ruled by London. The alternative is independence for all, which the majority of the UK population do not want. Why not just say it Mr Stringer?

AnonymousSeptember 22nd 2014.

It seems Labour puts the need to keep 40 Scottish Labour MPS,above the right of the English people to have the same level of democracy in their own country as the Scots,Irish and Welsh.They are traitors to their own country.

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TiddlesSeptember 22nd 2014.

Hmm, an obscure, convoluted and nonsensical attempt to bash Labour, hmm I wonder who this Anon might be?? BIG MYSTERY!

AnonymousSeptember 22nd 2014.

Labour is run by and for London leftist luvies who are not remotely interested in the people of England.They would much rather have London as a independent city state like Singapore if it came to a choice.

AnonymousSeptember 22nd 2014.

Without the aid of Scottish Labour MPs, it will be difficult for Labour to get things through a Westminster Parliament. Milliband realises this and is happy to sacrifice devolution to English cities and city regions to keep his party in power. He's already backtracking on the idea of devolving power to the English regions under the guise of 'let's have a debate' which means 'I'm going to drag it out so long you'll all get fed up and forget about it.'

Trish KarneySeptember 22nd 2014.

So much political apathy in 21st Century Manchester

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Ghostly TomSeptember 22nd 2014.

No political apathy, quite the opposite I find, more a general disillusionment with the out of touch, London based political elite of all parties.

Trish KarneySeptember 23rd 2014.

Is that why Manchester votes Labour on autopilot?

Ghostly TomSeptember 23rd 2014.

Manchester doesn't vote Labour on autopilot. Many people voted for other parties in numbers that should have delivered enough councillors to provide an opposition to Labour in the Town Hall. It didn't happen because of the undemocratic way we elect people in the city.

AnonymousSeptember 25th 2014.

Manchester doesn't vote on autopilot. Manchester doesn't vote. Lucy Powell is the proud owner of the lowest post war by-election turnout at 18%. Of those 60% voted for her. In conclusion 12% of the Manchester electorate think she's the best person for the job, 6% don't and 82% didn't vote. The City council has 100% of the control with 40% of the. People will go out and vote if their vote means something. At the moment it doesn't.

Steve RomanSeptember 22nd 2014.

We should capitalise on the political momentum raised by the referendum and on next year's 800th anniversary of Magna Carta to set up a constitutional convention involving both politicians and the public to provide a written constitution for the whole of the UK. The convention and constitution should address, amongst other matters, workable proportional representation and voting, devolved powers (including fiscal) to a renewed English local government, resolution of the West lothian question and an elected upper house. Federalism wouldn't work between such unequal partners as the four nations. The public don't want regionalisation or assemblies or additional levels of bureaucracy. Local authorities need to have proper municipal power in the same way as they built our infrastructure and public services in the second half of the 19 century, and as much of the rest of Europe has.

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AnonymousSeptember 22nd 2014.

Best post yet. Finally sanity prevails.

AnonymousSeptember 25th 2014.

Agreed

DavidSeptember 22nd 2014.

Political suicide seems to be the Labour leadership approach to English home rule.They have spent their entire conference avoiding the issue.

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TiddlesSeptember 22nd 2014.

Except they haven't been avoiding it (you must have missed Newsnight), and the conference only started on Sunday, so yet again you are spouting nonsense.

juiceSeptember 23rd 2014.

Have you ever heard of the infinite monkey theorem David? It suggests that, if you gave an infinite number of monkeys typewriters and they randomly bang the keys for an infinite amount of time, eventually one of them will produce the complete works of Shakespeare, purely by chance. I have a similar idea of my own: if a retarded, one-armed, mostly blind monkey was given a 20 year old computer with a malfunctioning screen and a keyboard with half the keys missing... it would still post more sensible, better informed comments on this website than you do.

AnonymousSeptember 23rd 2014.

Eds big speech and Eds big cop out on home rule for England.Typical disconnected Labour luvie,with more patriotism for the EU than he has for his own country and its people.Labour will be finished after this,they handed the E U and immigration as issues to UKIP,and now they will be tainted as the anti-English Party by Tories and UKIP.

Mark FullerSeptember 23rd 2014.

Great speech by Millipede today I thought. The highlight for me was the the bit about going a hospital in Watford, and being delighted to see two nurses 'coming together'. He later confessed that he was referring to a porno video he watched at his Hampstead mansion with his personal carer, Justine.

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HAHAHA, SATIRE!!!September 23rd 2014.

HAHAHA, SATIRE!!!

AnonymousSeptember 25th 2014.

JS....give this boy some column inches

AnonymousSeptember 24th 2014.

Plenty of suits in town this week. I even saw Jon Snow at the MFDF. The place is still packing them in despite the cooler weather.

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Ghostly TomSeptember 24th 2014.

Did he have one of his wonderful ties on?

Paul SimonSeptember 24th 2014.

I don't understand the logic of Graham Stringer's conclusions. Why would the implementation of the principle of English votes for English laws necessarily prejudice the interests of the English regions. Simply relying on the blatant party political point that there would be an increased likelihood of a Tory government is no argument at all in grown up democracy. Furthermore, whilst I wholeheartedly agree with the principal of greater devolution of powers to English city regions I think that would need to go hand in hand with a demonstration by the powers that be of an ability and willingness to engage to a greater degree in the democratic process, engage more procatively with the people and become truly acctountable

DavidOctober 10th 2014.

Mr Stringer never mind Devolution if you don't stand now against Ed,there is a good chance,your going to be out as a MP in 7 months time,given the UKIP result.

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