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Elected Mayor For Greater Manchester

Exciting news for 2.6m people as Manchester becomes trail-blazer

Written by . Published on November 3rd 2014.


Elected Mayor For Greater Manchester
 

GREATER MANCHESTER has agreed 'an historic devolution' settlement with the Government including a directly elected Greater Manchester mayor.  

The speed of this announcement takes the breath away, who thought UK politics could move so quickly?

'Historic devolution' is apt hyperbole for once. This agreement is remarkable and comes hot on the tails of the Scottish referendum and all-party agreement to address devolution for English cities. But the speed of this announcement takes the breath away, who thought UK politics could move so quickly?

And who thought that a Conservative-led coalition government could team up with a Labour-dominated region so effectively and to such dramatic effect to produce a seismic change in local governance. Ed Miliband and the Labour Party nationally must be reeling.

But forget party politics for now this is a time to say wow - after all a Greater Manchester dream of a directly elected mayor and devolved power from Westminster seems to have become a sudden reality.

Alex Salmon of the SNP is fond of refering to things in terms of generational change; "We won't get this opportunity for a generation" and so on.  

For Greater Manchester this is the most important political and administrative change for almost two generations, since the creation of the Metropolitan boroughs in 1974 by a Conservative government (abolished, ironically, by another Conservative government in 1986).

But this agreement seems far stronger than the 1974 arrangement.

People will have a say in a directly elected mayor, similar to the mayor in London and the boroughs of Greater Manchester seem to be strongly pulling together this time, unlike in 1974. The time is ripe is seems.

Now comes the reality and responsibility of making this work. Let's hope the citizens of the region turn out in numbers to vote on this matter of crucial importance come 2017 rather than letting apathy win.

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Here's the full council press release with the nitty gritty:

The agreement, reached with the Chancellor who has called for a 'Northern Powerhouse' to maximise the economic potential of the north - and building on the work of the Greater Manchester Combined Authority (GMCA) established in 2011 - will give greater powers to the combined authority working in partnership with a directly-elected Mayor.

These will open up new opportunities for increasing economic growth and improving the quality of life of Greater Manchester residents by replacing an over-centralised national model – imposing ‘one size fits all’ solutions – with greater local control over certain budgets and powers.

For example, they will unlock huge public transport improvements and help tens of thousands of Greater Manchester residents into work. 

Under the settlement, a directly-elected Mayor for Greater Manchester will be created. 

Powers to be devolved to Greater Manchester include:

Transport

Responsibility for local transport, with government providing a longer-term budget to enable better planning and a more co-ordinated transport strategy.  Subject to local consultation, there will also be franchising of bus services – in a similar model to London – with Greater Manchester controlling franchises, service routes and frequencies and fares. Greater Manchester will commit to introducing an Oyster card-style smart ticketing system which can be used across all modes of public transport across the region.

Planning

Devolved planning freedoms, including the power to create a statutory spatial strategy – in line with the framework already being developed by GMCA - which will guide investment and development across Greater Manchester.

07-10-2014 085 Airport LineGreater Manchester will commit to introducing an Oyster card-style smart ticketing system which can be used across all modes of public transport 

Housing

Control of a new Housing Investment Fund of up to £300m which will deliver an additional 15,000 homes across Greater Manchester over a 10-year period.

Freedoms which can be devolved as soon as possible include:

Public Service Reform

- Helping people back into work

Greater Manchester’s public service reform programme, which goes hand in hand with promoting economic growth, aims to provide the intensive support that people and families trapped in a cycle of benefit dependency need to escape it – helping them while reducing public sector spending in the longer term. For example the city region’s Troubled Families programme has helped ‘turn around’ almost 5,500 families.

The devolution deal will enable Greater Manchester’s work to be scaled up to help up to 50,000 people back into work, supported by a combined budget of £100 million. 

- Health and Social Care

Another element of public service reform is the need to integrate health and social care to reduce pressure on A&E departments and unnecessary hospital stays and provide better care closer to home. 

The agreement will give GMCA, working with health organisations across Greater Manchester, control of existing health and social care budgets, which have been pooled by local authorities across Greater Manchester. The government will also invite GMCA and the region’s clinical commissioning groups to develop a plan for joined up health and social care. 

Earn Back

Control of a revamped earn back deal, which allows GMCA to be paid by results as investment in infrastructure improvements (for example transport) results in economic growth. This allows Greater Manchester to be ‘paid back’ up to £30m a year over a 30 year period. Under the reformed deal, the complicated formula under which this was calculated will be scrapped to give more certainty and larger investment opportunities. This will enable the Metrolink extension to Trafford Park to go ahead.

Skills and Business Support

The abilitity to influence further education provision in the city region by giving skills providers the financial incentive to match the supply of skills to the needs of local employers.

Responsibility for devolved business support budgets to ensure that Greater Manchester businesses get the right support, at the right time, to help them grow and innovate.

Governance Arrangements

The elected Mayor will lead GMCA, chair its meetings and allocate responsibilities to its cabinet, made up of the leaders of each of Greater Manchester’s ten local authorities. The first Greater Manchester Mayoral elections are expected to take place in 2017.

The directly-elected Mayor will be responsible for the new powers in relation to transport, planning, housing and policing but will be required to consult the GMCA Cabinet on his/her strategies, which it may reject if two-thirds of members agree to do so. The statutory spatial framework will require approval by a unanimous vote of the Mayor’s Cabinet.

The existing Police and Crime Commissioner’s role will also be merged with the Greater Manchester Mayor’s role.

The creation of a directly-elected Greater Manchester Mayor will not happen overnight and further work is required on all the detailed implementation of these changes. New legislation is needed before transport and planning powers can be transferred and there will be a transitional arrangement of an appointed mayor who will assume some of the responsibilities of an elected mayor.

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Lord Peter Smith, chair of GMCA, said: “Make no mistake, this devolution settlement is a momentous day for Greater Manchester. It gives us greater control over our own destiny in several key areas and the ability to base decisions on local priorities and needs rather than on ‘one size fits all’ dictates from Westminster.

“This isn’t about taking powers from individual Greater Manchester authorities. It’s about powers coming down from central government to a more localised level.” 

Sir Richard Leese, vice chair of GMCA, said: “Greater Manchester has been in the vanguard of the national devolution debate. It was clear that an over-centralised national system was not delivering the best results for our people or our economy.

“We are extremely pleased that we can now demonstrate what a city region with greater freedoms can achieve and contribute further to the growth of the UK.

“Our ultimate ambition is for full devolution of all public spending in Greater Manchester, currently around £22 billion a year, so that we either influence or control the whole amount.

“We recognise that this cannot happen overnight and there needs to be a staged approach based on evidence that devolution delivers increased economic growth and better public services. But today’s settlement is a huge move forwards and a road map for the future.” 

Chancellor George Osborne said: "This is a massive moment for the north of England and our plan to build the Northern Powerhouse. After several months of private discussions with local representatives from all three parties, I have reached agreement with the civic leaders of Greater Manchester to create the first metro-wide elected mayor outside of London.

This will give Mancunians a powerful voice and bring practical improvements for local people, with better transport links, an Oyster-style travelcard, and more investment in skills and the city's economy.

"I want to talk to other cities who are keen to follow Manchester's lead - every city is different, and no model of local power will be the same.

"The Northern Powerhouse is becoming a reality. We plan to make major investments in northern transport and science, now we have agreement on the first metro area Mayor. This is what we've achieved in just a few months. Giving cities power is part of our long term economic plan to reduce the decades-old gap between north and south, London and the rest."

Greater Manchester and government will now work together to progress the implementation of the agreement, taking it through each local authority and there will be a public consultation on the governance proposals. 

Greater Manchester rising

Greater Manchester rising

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124 comments so far, continue the conversation, write a comment.

Simon TurnerNovember 3rd 2014.

Getting devolved powers looks great, and this is a welcome development, however claiming that there's been a Greater Manchester "dream for a an elected mayor" is actually not true and is still problematic. Two years ago a majority of voters rejected a mayor in a referendum. Partly I suspect because of the concern about the costs and efficacy of running another administrative layer in addition to national government and city councils. The end of the GMPCC is, however, very welcome.

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JoanNovember 3rd 2014.

We voted against a mayor for Manchester; we didn't get to vote on a Greater Manchester mayor. A GM mayor makes much more sense to many people.

Jonathan SchofieldNovember 3rd 2014.

Leadership is about leading, useless referenda are political sops playing at democracy. This is very welcome news.

AnonymousNovember 3rd 2014.

Wonderful news for the pioneering second city and its freedom to be.

AnonymousNovember 3rd 2014.

If directly elected mayors are so good for democracy, why have none of the state and sub-state national governments in the UK adopted similar methods of electing a leader. Directly elected mayors present significant questions regarding party politics and local democracy and raise the possibility of executive versus legislature statement and conflict. The citizens of Manchester rejected this proposition in a democratic referendum only to have it foisted on to us. Leadership is about having a democratic mandate not making arbitrary decisions without fully considering the implications.

AnonymousNovember 3rd 2014.

I'm all for a GM mayor as long as they're not some Boris-like caricature who's the go-to person for the media. TBH there are enough bozo's making dumb decisions already, so why do we need another? Library Walk as an example.

AnonymousNovember 3rd 2014.

Joan why not tell us who the Leaders for this project are. Are they all directly elected?

Poster BoyNovember 6th 2014.

The members of the GMCA have acted like pathetic smack heads desperate to be get their cheap black tar fix from their dealer Westminster. Undemocratic, authoritarian, and ill conceived this misnomer masquerading as devolution is nothing more than political expediency from the ruling class linked to the complete fuck up that is the legacy of Blair’s motorway to federalism and Cameron’s rush to placate his English constituency and checkmate Labour in advance of the election. No surprise then to see the usual suspects of frightened councillors crawling all over ManCon like rabbits in headlights. Osborne has obviously been reading Luke 16.21.

Salford RedNovember 3rd 2014.

I hope there is a big campaign to get people involved. We need a big turnout of voters for this. It would be massively disappointing and embarrassing if only 20% of people voted. This is a really important thing for Greater Manchester.

jdobson76November 3rd 2014.

Feel a bit sorry for Tony Lloyd...having stepped aside from his MP role for Lucy Powell, he now finds his commissioner role disappearing

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AnonymousNovember 3rd 2014.

His Role doing what exactly - he's invisible and were paying for it. I read that as an admission that crime commissioners don't really work and this is a way to get rid of one on the quiet.

jdobson76November 3rd 2014.

Feel a bit sorry for Tony Lloyd...having stepped aside from his MP role for Lucy Powell, he now finds his commissioner role disappearing

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AnonymousNovember 3rd 2014.

Could he not put his name in the hat for the position? Not that i'd vote for him. And if the unthinkable happens & Labour get voted back in to power. Won't this deal be off the table?As I understand it we only get this if we have a conservative government at the time?

AnonymousNovember 3rd 2014.

miliband will doubtless jump on this bandwagon asap if he thinks its a vote winner in Manchester.

Not that David!November 4th 2014.

Can't feel that sorry for Tony Lloyd. He stepped down as an MP to be PCC for a payrise (£70k to £120). Wouldn't I don't begrudge him moving to a better job with better pay. Anyone would do that. What I do begrudge is the way that the Labour party was so vehemently against PCCs but that didn't stop their MPs going for them. Somewhat hypocritical. We also got lumbered with Lucy Powell. A career politician that masterminded Red Eds usurping of his brother and also thinks the way to get more women in to parliament is to hand them seats even if there's a better male candidate.

AnonymousNovember 3rd 2014.

Mancunians already said no to this - just an additional layers of bureaucracy AND cost - plus our very own Red Ken or BoJo! It's hard enough getting the British to the polling booths every 5 years - now they want to add something else people won't vote for?

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AnonymousNovember 3rd 2014.

Manchester may have said no but this is about the whole of Greater Manchester, a very different thing as Joan has pointed out above. This is great for GM imo.

AnonymousNovember 5th 2014.

Plus there were NO additional powers on offer with the previous mayoral elections. People aren't stupid. They knew they were voting for a paper tiger. This is a completely different proposition.

AnonymousNovember 3rd 2014.

Thatcher may have abolished the metropolitan county councils back in 1986, but it was the Tories who actually created them with the Local Government Act 1972. What I'd like to know though, is how those county council boundaries were actually drawn up & determined back then? Also, are we assuming they are still relevant today or do they need redrawing? For instance why not include parts of North East Cheshire, North West Derbyshire & other parts of Manchester's economic hinterland too? Love to hear your thoughts Jonathan.

AnonymousNovember 3rd 2014.

Bez for mayor innit.

AnonymousNovember 3rd 2014.

What's new? Most of what is proposed is already in place except for a figurehead and 'coordinated' by a powerful Officer and Team. overseen by the Leaders (politicians) of the constituent MB's The proposals for transport will, provide as in London, with its only visible symbol. will there be a Boris Bus? (which was actually designed by a graduate of one of GM's Universities.) Dependent on Whitehall it, will have competitors soon from Merseyside and Yorkshire for Central Government's largess(?) Who will be favoured?

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AnonymousNovember 3rd 2014.

An elected Mayor isn't a figurehead - look at the awful antics of Joe Anderson in Liverpool. Policy by mayoral decree, according to his whims (or whatever lobbyist is whispering in his ear), and no scrutiny. The proposal for Manchester appears to have better governance and some accountability, but even so, tens if not hundreds of thousands of votes will give whoever it is enormous power, hard and soft.

AnonymousNovember 3rd 2014.

I live in Trafford and I like the low council tax. I don't want Manchester and other wasteful authorities and their combined mayor deciding how to waste my money thank you very much.

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Trish KarneyNovember 3rd 2014.

You benefit from the infrastructure of nearby Manchester though, while you're smugly sat in your semi in Sale with your low council tax, tory council and curtain-twitching neighbours.

DavidNovember 4th 2014.

I think it will be other way around.Trafford in alliance with other areas can dominate Manchester.Do the electoral maths.

AnonymousNovember 4th 2014.

What's wrong with low council tax, Trish? Less money for councils to waste. MCC have just wasted 3.5 million on a totally unnecessary entrance to Central Library, ruining Library Walk into the bargain. But that's the sort of nonsense you get in one party states.

rinkydinkNovember 4th 2014.

The small mindedness of some people is astonishing. They'd still live in caves if they could

AnonymousNovember 4th 2014.

In the U.K. we put full stops on the end of our sentences Rinkydink.

rinkydinkNovember 4th 2014.

An we're so quaint ain't we anon? Now can you stop flirting with me please and busy yourself in some way?

AnonymousNovember 5th 2014.

Hey Rinkydink! Coming over here, stealing our women and jobs is one thing, but don't call the natives small minded. You people would call that racist!

rinkydinkNovember 5th 2014.

I don't care what small minded dickheads like you call me to be honest, bro

AnonymousNovember 5th 2014.

Awww you called me 'bro' :)

Kevin PeelNovember 4th 2014.

The deal announced today is a great first start on the road to full devolution of all public spending and even further powers to Greater Manchester where we can better prioritise and focus resources. A directly elected mayor is a vital element of the package to provide democratic accountability and legitimacy. There are a couple of areas where more thought is needed - Ordinary councillors from across the city region need to have a role in challenging and scrutinising the mayor and his / her cabinet and we also need to be talking about devolving power further down to council and community level (for instance allowing councillors and residents to decide whether legal loan sharks and betting shops can open in their communities) - but there is no denying that today marked a historic moment on this new road.

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DavidNovember 4th 2014.

Kevin Peel why do you deserve role scutiny the Mayor when you totally fail to do it with Leese.People like you are the problem,who put party before your voters interests.All you care about is yourself

Ghostly TomNovember 4th 2014.

If this is going ahead can we be assured that we will have councils that reflect the voting patterns of the various boroughs so that we actually have democracy? The present situation where many people have no representatives on a council is just wrong.

Trish KarneyNovember 4th 2014.

Kevin, if this gives people like you more power, then I am 100% against it.

AnonymousNovember 4th 2014.

If the only thing you can decide on is whether to allow legal loan sharks (key word being legal) and betting shops (again, legal) on the high streets then I can't see there being that much point in allowing yet another level of expensive bureacracy to local government.

Shirley JonesNovember 4th 2014.

Salford Council has an elected Mayor, a Deputy and 12 Assistant Mayors, and it's the worst thing they ever did. Why so many 'assistant Mayors for God's sake, all claiming more 'expenses' because of their title. There has been for many years in Salford, a well documented problem of an 'old boys club' regime. This made it worse, now all decisions are made by two people, the Mayor and Deputy Mayor. How can that be democratic? The City is being ruined. Decisions are being made that most suit the Council's finance, which is suffering from poor management and shameful wastefulness and bigger business in the area (and beyond) that the old boys club pander too, and because of the wants and desires of it's so called 'elected members' ... Salford Citizens and Council Tax payers are the least considered, if at all. They don't even seem to know that we exist......

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DavidNovember 4th 2014.

I don't agree.I think the winning candidate for Greater Manchester will probably run on an anti Manchester ticket,promising more resources to other areas Greater Manchester like Salford.Manchester itself will have its power clipped.

AnonymousNovember 4th 2014.

David, I can't see that happening in Greater Manchester these days (although the likes of "tram less" Bolton & Wigan are still kind of politically/culturally remote from Manchester these days I guess) - but I'm pretty sure your scenario would have happened under Labour's previously proposed (& foolish) North West Regional Assembly plan. Yes for Blackpool, Preston, Southport, Lancashire & West Cheshire etc politicians, it would have been all about clipping Manchester's wings rather than London's. (Remember their destructive parliamentary campaign regarding the supercasino decision.)

AnonymousNovember 4th 2014.

Quite a few Negatrons on here. This is positive news.

DavidNovember 4th 2014.

I hope if the Tories lost election George Osbourne might run for mayor or Graham Stringer.This should be after Mayor of London one of the top jobs UK politics after PM and chancellor and deserves serious candidates not local government party time servers.

rohtangNovember 4th 2014.

The outlying towns do not want to be a part of any form of Manchester! Here in Bury and Bolton, we still regard ourselves as being Lancastrians and wish to be acknowledged as such.

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DavidNovember 4th 2014.

Thats true but people I don't think want to be run from Preston either.The solution should be try to let Greater Manchester and Lancashire co exist as identity and second The mayor does not have to be source Manchester power but a way to do opposite promote investment in towns Greater Manchester more.For instance bring Metrolink to Bolton and add a link between Bolton and Bury.

AnonymousNovember 4th 2014.

It's time that people in the outlying areas of Greater Manchester give up their petty parochialism and realise they are part of Greater Manchester. It's the name 'Manchester' that attracts investment to the region. Chinese or Gulf state investors are not going to invest in Bury or Bolton, they will and are doing in Manchester. If they want their areas to prosper they need to work out how best they can do that as part of Greater Manchester. There's no reason that the new mayors office has to be in central Manchester. Boris doesn't have his in Westminster or in the City of London. It's on the south bank by Tower Bridge, in a relatively over looked area of the city. Maybe our mayor could be housed in Salford Quays, an area that gives a positive impression of the city region but doesn't really know where it is, physically in Salford and Trafford but mentally in Manchester.

DavidNovember 4th 2014.

Bolton has a fantastic Town Hall which could he headquarters Mayor.I hope people in Manchester will try and embrace the rest of Greater Manchester.Strength comes from unity and not from looking down on them.

AnonymousNovember 4th 2014.

I agree 100% David. Strength in unity is what will push us on as a region.

Trish KarneyNovember 4th 2014.

Completely agree, it's parochial attitudes such as Rohtang's which have kept the area back. Who on earth would invest somewhere like Burnley?

AnonymousNovember 4th 2014.

People would invest in Burnley if the transport network linked it quickly and efficiently to Manchester which is the main stimulus to growth in this part of the world.

Mark FullerNovember 4th 2014.

The government have invested in the Todmorden Curve, which has been disused since the Beeching cuts in the 1960's. It won't be long before there is a direct train to Burnley. My parents live in Todmorden so I know the Burnley area quite well. It certainly has it's problems, and is similar in some respects to Rochdale and Oldham. But business will invest there. The people , by and large are very friendly and hard working.

rinkydinkNovember 4th 2014.

Well you're not Lancastrians so you really need to get over it

rinkydinkNovember 4th 2014.

The younger generation will generally identify more with Manchester. It's an unstoppable force

Mark FullerNovember 4th 2014.

Sorry, I pressed the reply button before i'd finished. Burnley has plenty of things going for it. The surrounding countryside is on a par with the Peak District, and the town itself has some very fine, restored former industrial buildings. Those who look down their noses at Burnley, Bolton and other Lancashire towns are misguided and misinformed. If George Osbornes' Greater Manchester concept is going to work, this will have to change.

AnonymousNovember 5th 2014.

Burnley is a great little town cursed with bad communications. Once that has been rectified, people who work in Manchester will move up there because the house prices are relatively cheap. They may work in Manchester but they will spend in Burnley supporting the local economy which will create new jobs there.

AnonymousNovember 5th 2014.

Burley isn't part of manchester get over it.

AnonymousNovember 5th 2014.

I went to Burnley once. It's in a nice part of the world. It helped being a sunny day too. There didn't seem much going on socially though, and it was a bit sex groomy in parts.

AnonymousNovember 5th 2014.

Burnley has better nightlife than Manchester, all the bars are in walking distance, not spread around like in Manchester and more places to dance.

AnonymousNovember 5th 2014.

Burnley has a better nightlife the Manchester?! Yeah ok, keep taking the disco biscuits!

rinkydinkNovember 5th 2014.

I never said Burnley was part of Manchester. No way - that's definitely part of Lancashire and Lancashire is welcome to it. And if you think the nightlife is better there, well, the word deluded is a massive understatement. You obviously have no style whatsoever

AnonymousNovember 5th 2014.

@Rinkydink How many nights out have you had in Burnley since moving to the UK?

rinkydinkNovember 5th 2014.

I wouldn't even consider it. I have been to Burnley in the date and it is God-foresaken. I do know several people that have left Burnley for Manchester though and they have advised me. So if you're so against Manchester then Anon, what are you doing on a Manchester website?

rinkydinkNovember 5th 2014.

In the day

AnonymousNovember 5th 2014.

Oh my! God-forsaken'? If I had a choice of living in the sprawled out, disconnected mess that is L.A. or Burnley, I'd choose burnley any day.

AnonymousNovember 5th 2014.

Burnley isn't part of Greater Manchester but better connections with Manchester will help it prosper. It will become part of the Manchester city region. There is nothing wrong with this. On another point, I have been to Burnley and, I suppose, if your idea of nightlife is walking from one pub to another it might do you well. But I must have missed the theatres, the concert venues, the cinemas, the varied numerous restaurants. How can anyone compare nightlife in Burnley with nightlife in Manchester and find Burnley the superior place? Maybe in one of Professor Brian Cox's parallel universes?

AnonymousNovember 5th 2014.

Lets belittle people from the smaller towns around Manchester.

AnonymousNovember 5th 2014.

There's a story for a group of refugees who came to the UK and were housed in Burnley. They immediately asked to go back to Mogadishu.

AnonymousNovember 5th 2014.

Lots of places have there own social cultures around Manchester city centre follyfollyfolly.blogspot.co.uk/…/kristin-hersh-burnley-library-24-may.html… Of course, Rusholme, Longsight and Glossop aren't included in that.

AnonymousNovember 5th 2014.

'They immediately asked to go back to Mogadishu.' Yes, they didn't want to live in a civilised country!

AnonymousNovember 5th 2014.

If you like a night out, a couple of drinks and a dance, Burnley is better, especially for women, Manchester actually has fewer places like this and you have to get a taxi to get around.

Rick22November 5th 2014.

hahaha having lives in the Burnley area most of my life I find the above Anon comment hilarious. couple of drinks a dance and your head caved in go to Burnley!! one fo the worst towns in the uk!!! everyone is so welcoming

AnonymousNovember 5th 2014.

Used to date someone, who every time he was asked on holiday "where are you from?" he would say the name of the small two-horse township in Oldham. They wouldn't have heard of it. Then he'd say "Oldham", they hadn't heard of it. ""Near Manchester" he'd then say. "Oh, Manchester!" - it's all Greater Manchester - you don't see people in Lewisham having some parochial separatist feelings. Attitudes like this hold the City Region back.

rinkydinkNovember 5th 2014.

The last Anonymous - you are God-like. Well said

AnonymousNovember 5th 2014.

Wirral = Cheshire

AnonymousNovember 4th 2014.

I'm from Manchester myself but I do know a fair few people from Bolton and Bury who do consider themselves to be from Manchester, particularly the younger ones who are more likely to work, shop, eat and drink in town every day. Besides, even if everybody did consider themselves Lancastrian it would still be an idea to get on board with this.

AnonymousNovember 4th 2014.

Another initiative that is supposed to be popular and a vote winner but I can't think of anyone who has been calling for it and anything that will truly be achieved. And what will be the turnout? It was about 7% for the Police and Crime Commisioner and I'd guess only a bit more for an elected mayor. In fact, the only challenge will be to get the Labour nomination for the gig in the first place. So, yet another 'job for the boys'. The only radical and truly effective solution to the local government problems and the inflated costs being incurred would be to comibine the 12 local authorities. Do we really need 12 Chief Execs? 12 Finance Chiefs, 12 Heads of Children's Services, etc, etc?

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AnonymousNovember 4th 2014.

Well that's another thing that needs sorting out. London has a population of about 8.5 million and only needs one body to run it. Greater Manchester, with a population of 2.7 million has 10. It doesn't make sense and must be very expensive. Imagine the money that would be freed for other purposes if we just had the one.

JoanNovember 4th 2014.

London has borough councils.

AnonymousNovember 4th 2014.

And a much larger population, do we need 10. I think not. Especially if they are the non-accountable one party states we have in Manchester. The ones that spend 3.5 million on unnecessary entrances to buildings that already have one. The ones that ate quite happy to grab 100% of the seats on the council on less than 25% of the vote of the total electorate. This sort of non democratic council, borough or otherwise, needs to be abolished. Don't you agree Joan?

AnonymousNovember 4th 2014.

Along with its 'much larger population', it also has a much greater number of local authorities. The average number of residents per local authority in GM and GL are broadly similar. Still, don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant.

Ghostly TomNovember 4th 2014.

I think we need to grasp the opportunity that having an elected mayor and give local government in Greater Manchester a thorough makeover. Making sure that it is accountable and democratic and that the make up of the council reflects how the population voted. Most people are very interested in politics. I have yet to meet anyone over 16 who hasn't got an opinion on or an interest in politics. This interest in politics doesn't translate to actually voting because the current process of voting doesn't lead to change and isn't democratic. Politicians wonder why people don't vote. One of the reasons is that nothing changes. The majority of the population may not vote for a certain party but, because of the spread of voting across the city, they get all the seats. This happened in Manchester in May where 21% of the electorate voted Labour but they have 100% of the seats on the council. It's just so undemocratic. It needs to change. You can't have a council where 79% of the population don't have a single councillor on the council to represent them. And that's why many people don't vote. If councillors truly believed in the concept of democracy they would have put this right years ago.

Not that David!November 4th 2014.

Ghostly Tom, politicians may wonder why people don't vote but they don't care of it suits the status quo which is what you have. Lucy Powell holds the unenviable record of lowest post war by-election turnout of 18%. Of that 18% she got 60% of the vote. Roughly speaking only 13% of the electorate in Manchester Central think she's the best person for the job, 5% don't and the other 82% don't care or don't think their vote will count. Mobilise just a few of the 82% to vote knowing that their vote will be heard even if their candidate doesn't win and you can exploit the vacuum. Aka UKIP.

Eugene Spain)November 4th 2014.

I find it absolutely amazing that already people like David are talking about Trafford and neighbours trying to get one over on Manchester.You do realise the only recognisable name in this area around the world is Manchester.If you travelled to say, Rio De Janeiro and said you were from Trafford,the next question would be where is that? You would then answer near Manchester.Oh Manchester well thats famous in history for being the first Industrial city in the world,and for it's football,and the first memory computer etc.etc etc. We should all be looking at London and realise that the money in the UK has mostly been spent in London making it a world class city.It is about time some balancing up was made.Money spent in Manchester on transport etc.in one year is two days worth of spending in London.Two days!! is London 180 times larger than Manchester,of course it isn't it is just one of the gross inequalities in the Uk system.It is about time money on infrastructure was spent in other parts of the UK.The Greater Manchester boundaries should also include the affluent north Cheshire towns,also,most of the population are originally from Manchester and in lots of cases earnt a damn good living from the city. Eugene(Born and bred Manc now retired to Spain)

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AnonymousNovember 4th 2014.

Well said Eugine. I read something a little while ago that said more is spent on cycling in London than is spent on Greater Manchester's entire public transport system. This is what this is about, someone fighting our corner, some getting a bigger slice of the pie for us. And about time too.

AnonymousNovember 4th 2014.

* Eugene!

rinkydinkNovember 4th 2014.

Well said, Eugene. These people are dim

DavidNovember 5th 2014.

If you treat Greater Manchester towns with contempt and persist with the line 'only people have heard of Manchester',then your just as bad London,and you soon find Greater Manchester consists only of Manchester.These other towns got own history and most of them provided the bands Manchester famous for.Bolton has great deal history as far football and sport concerned.

DavidNovember 5th 2014.

Eugene you mentality toward Greater Manchester is like it's your backwards colony,You are a nasty,self centred bigot.

DavidNovember 5th 2014.

Also Eugene most foreigners have ONLY heard of London not Manchester.Stop pretending your some global go to destination,because your not.

AnonymousNovember 5th 2014.

David, find me a foreigner who hasn't heard of Manchester United.

Not that David!November 5th 2014.

Oh dear David, sometimes I wonder if you write with such poor grammar and spelling to emphasise what a dim wit you are.

rinkydinkNovember 5th 2014.

David - so wrong again!

Eugene Spain)November 4th 2014.

On the subject of a Mayor,in my humble opinion Mr Jim O'Neil would be the ideal candidate.One of the top economist in the country and knows the value of money.If we are to become a very prosperous region connectivity is the key,look at Crossarail in London.They are spending more money on that one project than has been spent on transport in the North of England in history.We should have the Tram all over Greater Manchester as a matter of urgency.We should have been connected with a modern rail system years ago to all the major cities in the north.We are light years behind European rail systems,and the railways started here!!We need to demand change now and not be fobbed off by out of touch M.P's who are on the honeypot special at Westminster.HS3 should all be completed in 3 years maximum, and HS2 should start work in the North.When it is money involved for wars in Iraq or wherever the money is soon found.even though there was no mandate from the British people.Get your finger out Westminster.and stop wasting our time pretend Greater Manchester is Scotland,you would soon move yourself then.

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AnonymousNovember 5th 2014.

Great shout Eugene. I didn't think of Jim but he'd be perfect in my opinion. I hope he puts his name forward.

HbiffNovember 5th 2014.

Eugene speaks more sense than the rest of the moaning commenters added together

AnonymousNovember 5th 2014.

To be fair Metrolink is over most of Manchester there only needs to be a couple more lines.

AnonymousNovember 5th 2014.

Wigan, Bolton and Stockport should be built imo. Then maybe an orbital line that connects the lines so people don't have to go through the city centre. And as mentioned on here by various people, Oxford Rd.

AnonymousNovember 5th 2014.

DJ Dave Haslam would be a good candidate. He's politically minded and very 'right on' too, so the council would love him along with the city's feckless folks, and the arts would get much more funding. The thing is though, he'd never 'sell out' and wear a 'bourgois' suit, nor would he want to meet people he didn't thnk were cool, so he'd probably never want to be mayor anyway. Keep it real, Dave.

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AnonymousNovember 5th 2014.

I read a piece about the arts this morning. The Department for Culture, Media and Sport and ACE (Arts Council England) shows spending amounts of £68.99 per head of population in London and £4.58 in the rest of England. In terms of lottery spending on the arts between 1995 and 2013 the figure was £165 per head in London and £46.77 outside of London. It also points out that the population of Westminster has contributed just £14.5m to the arts lottery and yet it received a benefit of £408m; while people in County Durham have given £34m and the area has received just £12m. These are the sorts of reasons we need someone fighting our corner and getting what we rightfully deserve. If we get the right person in the job it could be a massive boost to Greater Manchester on so many levels.

AnonymousNovember 5th 2014.

And that massive imbalance in arts funding has huge implications beyond the actual arts too. It means teachers, journalists & professionals etc are now so attracted to the cultural offerings of London life, that the regions are suffering more & more - because schools, colleges, newspapers etc etc outside of London are finding it harder & harder to attract & hang onto the best qualified of staff.

AnonymousNovember 5th 2014.

And that massive imbalance in arts funding has huge implications beyond the actual arts too. It means teachers, journalists & professionals etc are now so attracted to the cultural offerings of London life, that the regions are suffering more & more - because schools, colleges, newspapers etc etc outside of London are finding it harder & harder to attract & hang onto the best qualified of staff.

AnonymousNovember 5th 2014.

London's rubbish isn't it?

AnonymousNovember 5th 2014.

It is, even with all the help it gets in getting 15/20 times more funding than everywhere else does. Imagine how rubbish it would be if it got the same amount of funding as the rest of the country, but Boris wouldn't stand for that would he?

DavidNovember 5th 2014.

It's funny how rightly folks complain about too much money going to arts in London and yet don't mind Manchester get lions share in Greater Manchester.This attitude needs to change if Mancs don't embrace fairness to other towns Greater Manchester then this whild devolution concept will fail.Its not about swapping Whitehall for Manchester Town Hall

DarrenNovember 5th 2014.

I completely agree David. I suspect most people feel the same. I don't know the facts and figures but I doubt Manchester gets 15 times the funding that somewhere else does though.

rinkydinkNovember 5th 2014.

Nope - it IS all about making Manchester the capital of the north. And that is a good thing!

DavidNovember 5th 2014.

People who not born in big great city but some insignificant place are the ones who most arrogant in asserting the domination of It over others.Rinkydink is like that,he does not care about what other places think,he just wants them colonised by Manchester,so he can feel big and important by living in a larger city.He claims to back devolution which means increased local democracy but actually he wants authoritarian control of Manchester over local areas.

rinkydinkNovember 5th 2014.

I think it would be better for the region as a whole if it didn't appear so fragmented and showed support for a local 'capital'-style city. I suspect I am far from on my own with that. Manchester is the obvious choice because of it's stature. You might be interested to know that I currently live in Salford, David. Yes Salford. But that is just a suburb of its over-arching neighbour anyway isn't it? Everyone knows that, right?

SquirrelitoNovember 5th 2014.

So much parochialism. The City of London is the smallest and least populated of all the London Boroughs, but London is the brand that holds it all together. The centre of recognition. Manchester itself is the centre and the brand of our part of the world. It was no accident that We only have 2 "Greaters" in this country. Greater London and Greater Manchester. Not West Yorkshire or Merseyside or Tyne & Wear or West Midlands. It was recognised that London & Manchester were the economic and cultural centres of their conurbations and both are internationally renowned. We've spent 28 years since GMC was abolished, getting back to that level of cohesion. Time to step it up further (And I live Salford / Bury border, before anyone accuses me of colonialism)

Eugene Spain)November 5th 2014.

Thank you David for those few very personal unkind words towards me.I particularly chose my words and called the region Greater Manchester and NOT Manchester .I was merely pointing out your parochiality and stating Manchester, was the only readily recognisable place in the area around the world.You can belittle the city If you wish,but I have travelled all over the world and it is a very well known city because of its place in the Industrial history of this region and country.It is people like you, who for selfish small town attitudes reasoning,that has held this area back.We have to work together for a fair share of the wealth creation of this country that Greater Manchester contributed so much to.By the way a few lessons in writing the English language would not go amiss whilst criticising people on this post.

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rinkydinkNovember 5th 2014.

Hear hear!

AnonymousNovember 5th 2014.

@Rinkydink If you put as mucg enthusiasm into local politics in the US, perhaps the state of California wouldn't be in such a mess!

rinkydinkNovember 5th 2014.

Oh bog off you idiot. I have lived here for 28 years, the majority of my life. Are you deaf, blind or a fool? Take your pick. I will not justify myself again. My opinion is as valid as yours. Manchester is growing fast and yes - filling with people from outside of Manchester. All able to vote and all with valid opinions on how it should be run. Please go away and boil your head

AnonymousNovember 5th 2014.

Ha, I'm more interested in US BS politics than you are. Where ya from again son?

GimboidNovember 5th 2014.

Anonymous, your obsession with Rinkydink's origin is tedious, weird and a little bit creepy. Anyone would think you'd encountered a foreigner before. Put a sock in it, yeah?

rinkydinkNovember 6th 2014.

Thanks for that Gimboid. I was wondering if anyone else had noticed how exhausting this was becoming

AnonymousNovember 6th 2014.

Banter aside, I do find it funny how a dyed-in-the-wool American is the man-with-the-plan on ManCon.

AnonymousNovember 6th 2014.

@Rinkydink Exhausting? Hahaha, sounds like you've never had a real job! It's just ManCon bro'.

rinkydinkNovember 6th 2014.

As I've said, Anon -2, Manchester is filling with people from outside of Manchester. All paying council tax and all can vote. They all have a say in how Manchester is run - equal with people that were born here. You don't get Gold Star status because you were born here. Now, I have lived here for 28 years, have some quite influential friends here and have developed a love for the place. I care about it. To me, that is a normal way to be. If that doesn't sound normal to you then I feel sorry for you. Anon -1 - just go away

rinkydinkNovember 6th 2014.

And let's see if a "born and bred" Mancunian gets the top job. I sincerely doubt it

rinkydinkNovember 6th 2014.

And one more thing that I'll state again - I have a British passport. So I'm as much British as I am American legally - but who cares about these things? You really need to stop seeing these divisive issues. It doesn't matter

AnonymousNovember 6th 2014.

Will people stop going on about where someone is from or where they were born. I have German, Bulgarian, Latvian and Australian friends and a number of friends from the London & Essex area. They all now live in Manchester. They all love the place and rave about it to all their friends. They bring them here and show off what they like about Manchester. I like the fact that people who come from really nice places prefer to live here than where they were born. It's not where you are from it's where you're at.

AnonymousNovember 6th 2014.

'It's not where you are from it's where you're at.' Thanks Mr Brown.

rinkydinkNovember 5th 2014.

There you go, in future nobody will even be born in Salford. Which will make everybody from Salford a Mancunian www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/…/end-births-salford-town-halls-8049139…

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