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Councillor Pat Karney responds again to Confidential story

Meet at noon tomorrow and have your say on the proposed Tesco on High Street in the City Centre

Published on April 18th 2008.


Councillor Pat Karney responds again to Confidential story

People power once more.

The response to our story yesterday (Thursday) on Confidential about the proposed Tesco store on High Street has got another response from Councillor Pat Karney, and would be Labour Councillor for the city centre ward, Anthony McCaul.

If you have any particular objections or anything to say about the proposal to create Tesco's third city centre outlet - when Christopher Wray light shop vacates the High Street premises - then go along tomorrow, 19 April 2008, at noon to the site, and tell them what you feel about it.

As Cllr Karney wrote on the Confidential:

'We had the manager of Tesco, Market Street, to the City Centre Residents Forum two years ago when he told us his store was the second busiest outside Kensington in London.So it's clear that Tesco can pull in the customers. I go from time to time especially during the late hours.The proposed one on High Street is around the corner from my flat so this Tesco would half my journey and increase the temptation of late night sweets.

At the same time I have lots of requests from other parts of the city centre for shops so I would like to see Tesco's plan for the city centre. I will set up a meeting with them to look at the wider picture. They will come because the city council threw out a Tesco proposal in Chorlton two months ago. Anthony McCaul called me so we will both be outside Christopher Wray at 12 noon this Saturday to hear local views and tea/coffee afterwards.'

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28 comments so far, continue the conversation, write a comment.

ianApril 18th 2008.

i've set up a facebook page to collect people together who oppose this It's called "No to Tesco on High Street Manchester"www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=15566188573…

Jay TaylorApril 18th 2008.

This is a debate about 2 things. Choice & quality. Plainly Tesco have zero interest in either.

Kev PApril 18th 2008.

Hahaha Cllr Karney! Clearly the tories have no taste aswell as no substance!(I love you really!)

Michael WestApril 18th 2008.

As a Marxist/Leninist/Posadist, I don't really see the concerns. A new Tesco will not generate any trouble and I doubt completely that it will affect Arndale or Church Street traders. We're a discerning lot us Mancs. Convenience is everything but if we do want fresh fruit and veg we know where to get it. I just want to ask Cllr Karney why he helped destroy outside markets, closed the Arndale market for such a long time and left us with a single (choice or no choice) fishmongers in the Arndale.

regen08April 18th 2008.

On another planning related matter but of a very different order of magnitude, I wonder if there is any collective will to bring about the radical overhaul of Market Street and the Arndale Centre itself? The council have done what they feasibly can in the short term in terms of the recent paving and landscaping but there is no getting away from the fact that Market Street is ugly, smelly, congested, oppressive and a downright unplesant place to be at any time, day or night. A lot of the problems can be put squarely at the door of the Arndale Centre in my opinion. The post-bomb redevelopment presented a magnificent opportunity to open out the building but with the impending opening of the Trafford Centre I suppose the priority was to get the Arndale up and running within the shortest possible timescales. Unfortunately even post-redevelopment the centre still appears fortress-like and acts as a barrier for anyone wishing to move through the city centre - particularly in an east-west direction. This has a knock on effect in terms of concentrating too many people on Market Street and making destinations like King Street and the Northern Quarter that much less accesible and viable. The 'Market St crush' is also exacerbated by the concentration of bus links in just two terminals at Piccadilly Gardens and Shudehill.Much is made of the merits of the Northern Quarter and of the distincitve offer of King Street but these areas of the city will always struggle if moving across town remains so difficult thanks to the impenetrable lump that is the Arndale Centre.How can the centre's overhaul be made a commercially attractive option for its owners? Would some sort of asset swap be possible? Could the council encourage the owner's to think about redeveloping the Market St side but with aparments or offices above the shops to offset the costs of developing an already commercially successful centre? Should the council be encouraging adjacent major landowners and developers to deliver competing high-street retail schemes thereby encourage the development of the Arndale through increased local competition? Something needs to be done because Market Street as is, presents a really poor impression of the city with the Arndale funnelling pedestrian flow down the street and preventing easy acess across the city into adjacent areas.

Regen08April 18th 2008.

Following up my previous rant on this story, I notice the 'Crains Manchester Business' publication have an excellent article on the challenges the retail sector are experiencing in the Northern Quarter, citing the poor foot fall as one of the principal causes. Well as we know, it was the development of the Arndale Centre in the 70s that destroyed Oldham Street in terms of its original retail offer. To my mind, this article only reinforces my opinion that it is the ill conceived and excecuted redevelopment of the Arndale (failing to open up the centre and reconnect it to surrounding streets) that means the Northern Quarter continues to struggle. New signposts and a bit of landscaping is simply not sufficient to remedy the situation; I believe the problems are structural and relate principally to the dominant and insular nature of the Arndale Centre which prevents ease of access access across the city's retail core and in particular, significantly reduces footfall through to the N/4.LINK TO ARTICLE www.crainsmanchesterbusiness.co.uk/…/neglected-northern-quarter-retailers-make-a-cry-for-help…

johnthebriefApril 18th 2008.

If we want to encourage independent city centre traders a good first step might be to make it easier for people to park in the city centre without driving in circles for an hour looking for a space. If we adopted a policy of making parking easier rather than driving motorists into the clutches of the council's partners in crime at NCP, we might get more shoppers who would use these places.

Regen#April 18th 2008.

Following up my previous rant on this story, I notice the 'Crains Manchester Business' publication have an excellent article on the challenges the retail sector are experiencing in the Northern Quarter, citing the poor foot fall as one of the principal causes. Well as we know, it was the development of the Arndale Centre in the 70s that destroyed Oldham Street in terms of its original retail offer. To my mind, this article only reinforces my opinion that it is the ill conceived and excecuted redevelopment of the Arndale (failing to open up the centre and reconnect it to surrounding streets) that means the Northern Quarter continues to struggle. New signposts and a bit of landscaping is simply not sufficient to remedy the situation; I believe the problems are structural and relate principally to the dominant and insular nature of the Arndale Centre which prevents ease of access access across the city's retail core and in particular, significantly reduces footfall through to the N/4.LINK TO ARTICLE www.crainsmanchesterbusiness.co.uk/…/neglected-northern-quarter-retailers-make-a-cry-for-help…

joApril 18th 2008.

Channel M, Channel Erm...don't Manchester Confidential call it? So today three viewers, tomorrow the world.

AnonymousApril 18th 2008.

johnthebrief - Do you really think we should be encouraging people to take their cars to the city centre??

Regen08April 18th 2008.

Following up my previous rant on this story, I notice Crains have an excellent article on the challenges the retail sector are experiencing in the Northern Quarter, citing the poor foot fall as one of the principal causes.www.crainsmanchesterbusiness.co.uk/…/neglected-northern-quarter-retailers-make-a-cry-for-helpWell… as we know, it was the development of the Arndale Centre in the 70s that destroyed the Oldham Street's original retail incarnation and to my mind, this article only reinforces my opinion that it the ill conceived and excecuted redevelopment that failed to open up the centre, linking it to surrounding streets that means the area continues to struggle.

jomovApril 18th 2008.

I live behind the Renault garage near Greengate also and would also ask Tesco to consider that area for something in that region - there is a great need as all we have are small corner shops with very little choice! My local store at the moment (out of the city) is Sainsbury's so if you want to take our custom.....

KellyApril 18th 2008.

The proposed new Tesco Metro is so ridiculously close to the existing one, plus all the other shops in the area (Spar, Costcutter, etc) that it is completely unnecessary. If Tesco wants to put a new store near the city centre, I propose installing it near my flat (on Greengate in Salford). There are loads of new buildings going in there that would benefit from a supermarket, as the very few existing shops along Chapel Street are horribly overpriced - and don't sell wine.

BigfishApril 18th 2008.

Indeed! They have their fingers well and truely on the pulse!

KieranApril 18th 2008.

As with many other comments on this discussion, mine does creep slightly off the Tesco point, but I agree with other comments about a high quality market being essential.Visiting many of the Markets in East London over the last few years, I see The Northern Quarter and various squares around the city as perfect locations for the types of market that help create a buzz on Sunday afternoons.Our European markets are fine in the build up to Christmas as you dont mind paying slightly over the odds for hot vimto (mulled wine), but the rest of the year there needs to be some other draw to the city other than chain stores and over priced independants. The markets in London create great value for money and also help increase trade for the traders in and around the area.

ianApril 18th 2008.

sarcasm being the lowest from of witin any case onto something far more constructive:i received this mail today:Forgive the short notice but I've just heard that Channel M are interested in doing a piece on the possible tesco on High Street. I understand that Channel M will be on High Street at 2.30pm today.I cant make it as i wrk in liverpool

cllr.pat karneyApril 18th 2008.

Thanks to everyone who turned up including Mark ( no not ramsbottom who was pursuing his parliamentary career in Newton Heath)We had a really good discussion with strong passions and positions from both sides.There is really no substitute for these city discussions brought about by http://Confidential.Mark/Gordo asked if it was a done deal.No it is not and one of the outcomes was that everyone should register their position with Peter Babb the City Planning Officer.Anthony McCaul's best friend Cllr Rosa Battle was present.She came to listen to the discussion( and for the record said nothing as she is on the Planning Committee )Another important decision was that myself would invite the Chief Executive of Tescos Sir Terence Leehy to meet with me and Richard Leese to talk about Tescos wider plans for the city centre.Mark made some strong points about the growth of food provision/stores in the city centre and I would like to return later to this subject which has an impact on thousands in the city.So discussion with outcomes. On a less serious note one of Rob Adlard's "team members" starting flirting with me and as I have not had sex for ages was tempted but the record shows I left the building and went for a cup of tea with Anthony and Rosa.

DescartesApril 18th 2008.

What are the chances that this becomes a wider discussion about the number of chains in general that are in our city, not just Tesco - Starbucks for example?

johnthebriefApril 18th 2008.

And on topic, how cannot anyone seriously suggest that what Manchester really needs is another Tesco/Sainsbury/Somerfield whatever? Do we want to be another identikit clone city, indistinguishable from any other, or do we want to maintain some independent character?

BigfishApril 18th 2008.

Ian - Out of interest, if you don't mind me asking, where abouts in Manchester do you live?

alApril 18th 2008.

Better late than never I suppose!

johnthebriefApril 18th 2008.

By the way - it's not special pleading - I live in the city centre and walk

BigfishApril 18th 2008.

Today, three members. Tomorrow, the world!My lord

Michael HowardApril 18th 2008.

Agree on the markets side - manchester would benefit so much with a top class real market. A real market space would be great - Leeds has one, so to Liverpool and they would help reduce shopping costs and improve standards of eating/living I think.

Jonathan Schofield - editorApril 18th 2008.

Nice one Regen08. Good point. We're looking at different issue in the area, but i agree with the east-west movement through the city. In a few weeks time we're putting an article up about how it's time to get rid of pedestrianisation after 7pm on Market Street and St Ann's Sqaure to make them safer and more attractive. There is nothing more dull and pointless than a pedestrianisation scheme without people. they look desolate. We need the traffic back to add buzz, and 'eyes' on the street.

ithastobemeApril 18th 2008.

Kelly... YES! I live just behind the Renault garage and whilst our little local shop is fine, the food selection is poor.. and it shuts at 9!! We desperatly need a late night decent food [and wine!!!] offering in that area to save us having a 45min round trip into town... Tesco... PLEASE consider us!

BigfishApril 18th 2008.

I see this hot topic has mande the MEN today.

johnthebriefApril 18th 2008.

If we had a decent public transport system, then no. But the truth is that for many people it's not a matter of choice. My own view is that a great deal of the city centre congestion is caused by people driving round in circles looking for somewhere to park. Perhaps if we addressed that congestion would fall?

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