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Councillor Pat Karney, gay weekends and World Cups

So, the football was cancelled in Exchange Square a couple of months ago because of the antisocial behaviour of a minority, yet Manchester Pride was trumpeted from the rooftops. Fair enough or a tad hypocritical?

Published on September 6th 2006.


Councillor Pat Karney, gay weekends and World Cups

Some months ago Gordo’s readers may recall Councillor Pat Carney banning people from watching football in Exchange Square because (he said) there were four arrests on the day and he witnessed someone giving his son a sip of beer. There were 14,000 people there.

Pat killed the street vibes stone dead.

Last weekend we had the best Gay Pride parade ever. It’s good for the city. Gordo thinks Pat needs a pat for being one of the major architects of this great event. However, Gordo has never had so many people call and email about the rest of Pride. Gordo, having lived smack in the middle of the Village for a couple of years, is somewhat immune to it all. Gordo believes the following needs airing.

Consider this. The streets of Manchester are ring fenced around the Gay Village. Then, citizens are charged over fifteen quid to use them. Is this legal? Traffic is snarled up for three days. Inside the ring fenced area, Gordo has reports of people vomiting in the streets, one woman beating another with her fists, two men being thrown out of a club then kicked senseless by bouncers, two teenagers clearly under the age of sixteen in full make up being led into a pub by older men who clearly weren’t relatives. Gordo was unfortunate enough to witness a woman squatting in a gutter and urinating in the street. No one took a blind bit of notice.

The question posed time and again was this.

Can you imagine what would happen if someone decided it was time to have a Straight Pride parade and weekend? Would Pat give it his blessing, and would the council back it? It’s a bit of a silly one in Gordo’s mind to be frank, but he gets everyone’s point.

Gordo would love to hear Pat’s comments, so, Pat, please email by clicking here. Pat, one thing we are about here at ManCon is democracy, you can have a whole page to yourself. Were you being hypocritical banning the football? Don’t forget, Gordo has asked GMP for a statement on arrests over the festival.

For the rest of Gordo’s erstwhile readers, do you have a view? If so, fill in the form below. Don’t be shy. Constructive please. Lets not have knee jerks about football hooligans or gay bashing.

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I'm gay & I wouldn't be seen dead in the Manchester pink jamboree. For a start the ring of steel around the venue smacks of animals being caged in. The bars up their prices making obscene profits. The costs to get in are obscene. Yes profits go to charity...thats PROFITS from entry, what they don't say is about 60% goes in costs for the security, police & ring of steel & administrating the whole thing. Try going to a Pride in another country-where it is a family event, an integrating event, a free event ( charity money raised thro' voluntary donations), a relaxed event & not all about getting shitfaced, peeing & vomiting all over the place. I guess once again, it's all about a British culture issue & not a gay issue at all.

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Well its always a tricky one. Gay pride is a regular festival, in conjunction with the authorities, properly managed and properly run. The events Gord refers to are par for the course on most weekends on Canal Street and its surrounds so its a bit disingenuous to make out like they are anything other than that. The football was a great idea, but it strikes me that it was badly planned and badly delivered with more than double the expected numbers turning up. In this day and age of constant media questioning and the rise of the litigious society, I don't think the council had much choice but to ban it on public safety grounds. I've been in a crush involving a few hundred people and it was terrifying. 14,000 doesn't even bear thinking about (Hillsborough anyone?). Granted some of the excuses Karney used were lame, but the decision was correct.

Ben Waterhouse

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Whoever decided on the parade route is a moron! Straight through the centre of town - yeah brilliant. Everyone loved that. Except... the people not out for gay pride. Cutting a city in half for two hours isn't clever. I was in piccadilly gardens and but for 2minutes would have been able to walk to oxford rd easily (where i wanted to be). But no, stopping for chocolate was my undoing as the parade fence went across portland st and i was stranded on the wrong side of town. After 45 minutes of searching for a route across I was told by the police that the road was blocked in pretty much every useful place and that the only way to get to oxford street in the next hour was to walk to piccadilly (AROUND the fenced off gay village) and catch a train the one stop needed to traverse the gayness. I tried to cut directly through Pride at one point, but was rather rudely told no by one of the no mark attendants. I bet it made the organisers a fortune in pink pounds but the hassle caused to those that weren't going was terrible. Not to mention the mess. I hope the people behind pride paid for the the clean up afterwards. I'm with you Gordo, let's have a Stride parade (straight-pride) ;)

Kevin Smith

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I agree but take this further. Imagine the reaction if a pub or club were to open with a strictly "no gays" policy as so many of teh bars on canal street have a "no straights" policy (written or unwritten") at the weekend. Whilst I understand the reasons for the policy (i.e. excessive homophobia/"gay bashing") in the past, I just wanted the hypocrisy to me made public

Dan Gill

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Oh God, people like Kevin need to get a life (or buy their chocolate a bit quicker!). Pride is only once a year and everyone knows to steer clear if they don't want to get stuck in congestion. Perhaps we should ban Christmas because of all the upheaval and congestion that causes in the city centre with shoppers! At least with gay pride they're only vomiting and peeing in public; if it was straight pride they'd probably be beating each other to a pulp and murdering one another!

Ben Klemenzson

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At long last someone has spoken out regarding the massive double standards and hypocricy that pours out of Pat Karneys mouth! I would love to see darling Pat eat all his words back and only then would I begin to take him seriousl. Also doesn't he know his own people of manchester..."we don't take any cxxp".....

Lee Atkins

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What completely ridiculous comments from both ManCon and Kevin Smith - Did you all complain when the Triathlon was on and the roads were closed or the Great North Run or when the Race cars went through the city centre? I am originally from the Isle of Man where for several weeks of the year during TT Week and Grand Prix festivals the entire Island's main routes are closed off and the population of 71,000 doubles and everyone spends 4 hours to make a 20 minute journey - did the locals complain? No they get into the spirit of the festival and get on with it rather than being petty and complaining. I am sure the reason why the football was cancelled was due to a spur of the moment group of people all coming together to celebrate a “festival” type of event. Which the police I’m sure were not prepared for and did not have time to arrange policing for. The Manchester Pride was a fund raiser - ALL of the profits go to charities and yes I am sure the venue's inside made a pretty hefty "pink pound" profit but the whole event is to raise money. Yes it is a shame that the football was cancelled but why doesn’t someone like yourselves get together for the next big sporting event and arrange a charity fund raiser (for whatever charity you want) utilising the venues across Manchester and arrange for backing from the council rather than just sitting in your office complaining about it like a moaning old Victor Meldrew. Oh yes btw I am gay and I did goto Pride which was fantastic and it raised hundreds of thousands of pounds for charities, some which I don’t usually support but its charity – understand the main word charity!

Frank Kinrade

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I would like to know by what criteria you are basing "best Pride ever" on. I HATE this weekend and always dread its arrival. Its an excuse for the bars and businesses to make obscene amounts of money feeding off an atmosphere of forced jollity(mostly fueled by the morons who get off their boring faces in dumps like Essential) It wasnt £15 by the way, but £18!!!!(And guess how much of that makes its way to the charities it proports to support). It just reinforces the stereotypes that straight people have that all gay people are cross dressing mincing rancid Muscle Marys who can only communicate by screeching at each other. The acts this year were the most dreary ever-what the hell was Jamelia doing there?-and it was infested with the usual scrotes and lesbians with chips on their shoulders (they'd be the ones having a punch-up). Advertising it around Manchester as a family event, and having Key 103 bang on about it endlessly doesnt help either. The quicker its barred and we can return to the fabulous, downsized weekend festival we had 10 years ago the better. Oh, and yes, Im gay.

Steve King

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I have to say, I attended pride from Friday teatime right through till late Monday night and I never saw one bit of trouble. The difference between this and the football is that it is a weekend long, ticketed event that runs all day, every day. The football is concentrated on a specific period of around 2 hours of heavy drinking and whereas during pride there is no such "surge" of drunkenness. Pride weekend also includes many charity events and a candlelit vigil for aids victims. Apart from anything else, look at the reputations of the two groups. Football brawls break out even in a crowded pub showing a match, let alone a public gathering. But have you ever seen a fight in a gay bar when the Eurovision Song Contest is on? No!!!.... LOL!!!!!

Michael C

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Gordo, you're arguments are very feeble to say the least. What you witnessed is conjecture, you have no first hand evidence of these events, other than the lady urinating in the street which you personally witnessed. The £15 charge is to ensure a safe environment, and to keep out trouble making lager louts out, such as the ones that blighted the football in Exchange Square. Part of the charge pays for the emergency services & the council to look after the event, with the remaining going to charity. This is unlike the footie which paid nothing back for the policing & the Council for the cleaning required afterwards. The only people to benefit financially from the football was as far as I could see were the bookies, pubs and supermarkets. If you begrudge paying the £15, why didn't you purchase one for £10 when they were on sale? Looking at Deansgate, the locks and City Centre - how many fights and un-sociable behaviour including urinating goes on there on a typical Saturday night? Let alone over the bank holiday when Pride was on. It would be interesting to see the figures from the Police for the same period for those areas. The article smacks me of sour grapes. I don't think such a publication should be a mouthpiece for political outbursts. What about the other events that close the streets in town? The Great Northern Run, The Triathlon, the F1 race cars during the Sky Festival? The city is a fantastic, diverse and multicultural one. Just because Pride did not interest you, nor did Pride 'endorse you financially', you begrudge it with a trashy journalistic article. I'm seriously beginning to question why I'm subscribing to Manchester Confidential - the avalanche of re-regurgitated articles and adverts that are nearly spam plus this article.... I'm seriously thinking of unsubscribing and urge other gay people to think of the same!

Gerwyn

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Thankyou so much Gordo for publishing my comments on Pat Karney & his cronies...I would just like to add finally that the thought of anyone peeing publicly is an offence or am I wrong did Pat have a special 'peeing in public licence' that we are all unaware of....Surely if this event was supported by Pat (oh & finnanced the taxpayer) there should be some responsibilty taken here for any illegalities taken place...any legal people out there got some info on this....

Lee Atkins

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OK, so Pride is not to everyone's tastes. Yes, there's vomiting, fights, drunken behaviour, but that's inevitable at any large event such as this. Yes, talk of a straight parade is a little silly isn't it? I don't recall people complaining about the recent black police officers' parade through Moss Side and the city, or calling for a white officers only parade. Luckily we've moved on from the days of open racism, so could we please have the same standards applied to homophobia? Everyone's entitled to their opinions on this, but I think Manchester Confidential should stick to what it's good at and leave right wing politics for elsewhere.

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I totally agree with what you say about it all being a money-making scheme; but the money does actually go to charitable organisations. It is, in fact, illegal to force people to pay; anyone could actually walk straight passed the guys at the guys quite legally. But thats not in the spirit of it; the weekend primarily is about funding for charities. No doubt, Gordo, you will say; oh its an excuse to get sploshed; but do you really celebrate Xmas because of Jesus' birth? No, course you don't. And as far as there being a "str8 pride" what a ridiculous thing to say. You sound like them idiots last year campaiging against the Music of Black Origin Awards-wanting a Music of White Origin award. Well 'str8 pride' & music of white origin would be fine if they evolved naturally; but they havent. Also use your common sense; wherever large amounts of people are drinking there is going to be trouble; where theres football & alcohol & large amounts of people there even more--THAT IS A FACT. So don't come up with ridiculous generalised stories about guys getting kicked in by bouncers; the fact is Pride is a happy weekend on the whole with not even a tenth as much trouble than there is for one 90minute match. Its a shame ; because even as a limpwristed fag I still follow football closely but lager-lout loudmouthed hooligans spoil public displays.

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