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No Michelin Stars For Manchester - Yet Again

Don't worry 'their moment has come and gone' says Jay Rayner

Written by . Published on September 26th 2013.


No Michelin Stars For Manchester - Yet Again
 

THE 2014 Michelin Guide has been published and there are no Michelin stars for Manchester.

Anyway, chins up. 2013 has still been a startling good year for food and drink in Manchester. We still have that amazing variety and we also have exquisite fine dining.

It was widely anticipated that given the standards at Simon Rogan at The French, the city centre might make a starry return to the guide for the first time in four decades.

This has not happened.

It’s particularly galling that Birmingham gets another starred restaurant – although not in the city centre – giving it four restaurants in total. Adam’s Restaurant is the new boy.

In the North West we have one new entry in the one star category with The Samling in The Lakes. Meanwhile Fraiche, Radley at The Grosvenor and Northcote Manor retain their places and L’Enclume, Rogan’s other gaffe, keeps its two stars. Up in Ramsbottom the Hearth of the Ram receives a Bib Gourmand.

Anyway, chins up. 2013 has still been a startling good year for food and drink in Manchester. We still have that amazing variety and we also have exquisite fine dining.

Jay Rayner responding to Confidential on Twitter said: "Why are we so obsessed with Michelin stars? Their moment has come and gone." He has a point, given that variety in Manchester with cooking, pricing and style does it matter that we don't have a star? Outside the rarified industry world is anybody listening?

Well, no it doesn't matter and yes it does.

It doesn't matter because Michelin starred restaurants are a very narrow field, appealing to a limited audience of food and trade obsessives. They in no way indicate the breadth of appeal of Manchester dining. It could be argued they're undemocratically elitist and their moment has definitely come and gone.

But then, it does matter, because in the international game of city status, to have a starry restaurant contributes in a small way to the prestige of the city and leads to potential investment. Food can matter more than other qualities. For instance, we can tell people till we're blue in the face that Manchester has given the world 25 Nobel prize winners - more than all but seven nations of the world - but food is a more direct experience. Stomach wins over science facts, we have to fill our face everyday.

And of course, if, as is the case with people at Confidential, you appreciate fine dining then it is good to have restaurants deemed to be in the top nano-percent of eating. If nothing else it gives us a benchmark to test itself against.

The good news for those who do care about Michelin stars, is we only have a year to wait before we can celebratethat star or repeat these arguments.

It’s up to Simon Rogan at The French in the Midland Hotel and Aiden Byrne at Manchester House (and other willing participants) to see if another twelve months of cooking can encourage those elusive Michelin reviewers to shine a star our way.

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98 comments so far, continue the conversation, write a comment.

AnonymousSeptember 26th 2013.

Michelin star doesn't equal good food. It just provides a destination for people with no money and no class to appear superior.

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AnonymousSeptember 26th 2013.

Christ your a bundle of joy aren't you, watch out for that rain cloud over your head. If anything, a Michelin Star shows that a restaurant achieves a certain level of cooking, presentation 7 service. Nothing wrong what so ever with aiming for that standard - its what most chefs strive for.

AndrewSeptember 26th 2013.

"people with no money and no class" and who are flip are you? I have never read such a bitter comment in my life, you absolute cretin.

Mark GarnerSeptember 26th 2013.

As the publisher of this site, I am proud of what we do. However, Anonymous, people like you make me sick. If you knew the work that the team at The French have put in to producing such a fantastic experience you would walk in and beg their forgiveness. Young men and women have worked hours that would make your eyes bleed, you silly little inverted snob. But, hey, I will always ensure that you have your right to put your view forward on my sites. Pathetic though it is.

AndrewSeptember 26th 2013.

You have no conviction for what you say or you would put your name to it or even offer a response.

AnonymousSeptember 26th 2013.

Anon, it's not often (never) I agree with Gordo but you couldn't be more wrong. If you can't see why then there is little hope for you, except that I hope the chip on your shoulder isn't too heavy.

AnonymousSeptember 26th 2013.

A lovely way to speak to your readership...

AnonymousSeptember 26th 2013.

In this case, I suspect most of his readership agree with him. As opposed to siding with a d*ckhead with a gigantic chip on his shoulder.

AnonymousSeptember 26th 2013.

Ah... so if someone doesn't agree with you then they're a d*ckead? I'm sure there's plenty of people who would prefer some Thai food as opposed to some aspirational food, and they're all d*ckheads too...

AnonymousSeptember 26th 2013.

Nope, there are plenty of people who don't agree with me who aren't d*ckheads. He/she happens to be a d*ckhead with a chip on their shoulder, who doesn't agree with me. Hope that clears it up.

MGSSeptember 26th 2013.

CAN'T EVERYONE JUST GET ALONG!?

bigearsSeptember 26th 2013.

Think you'll find the new * in Birmingham is called Adams

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Jonathan SchofieldSeptember 26th 2013.

Oops so it is. Alan's seemed a bit more Brummie somewhere in my subconscious.

Jonathan MoranSeptember 26th 2013.

I mentioned many times you were wrong about our food scene in this city Jonathan and you shouted me down. It's good to be proved correct by both the lack of starred restaurants and the rightful panning another of your favourites "Artisan" got in the national (unbiased) press this week. Back in your box.

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Jonathan SchofieldSeptember 26th 2013.

Didn't you read the Confidential review before the national press one? It was published 22 August? This very much criticised Artisan as well. That aside, Mr Moran if Manchester had got a Michelin star - and it must have been close - what would your reaction have been? Would you have been disappointed? Are you happy when setbacks - although this is hardly a setback in the scheme of things - happen to Manchester, because it proves a point about whatever grievance you may have? Surely that would be wrong.

Jonathan MoranSeptember 26th 2013.

Not at all Jonathan- I read your preview in July where you once again got on your knees and offered verbal fellatio to your pals at living ventures, and subsequently went on to defend the place in other articles. My 'gripe' if I have one is that Manchester will never be taken seriously whilst we continue to churn out places that offer style over substance. You will not find a prouder Mancunian than myself, but unlike you I will not put my pride before whats really happening and gloss over aspects of this city (including it's restaurant scene) that are less then perfect.

Mark GarnerSeptember 26th 2013.

Mr. Moran, I believe I know a huge number people who are prouder Mancunians than you are. Artisan is bloody good fun, the menu needs tweaking, the service is great and well done to LV, an independent with a couple of blokes who have worked, from the bottom up, and given us some great food over the years. Style over substance? I can't describe any of their products in that way. When you, as a supposedly Manc in your heart, have a tip in such a greasy way at a team of young people who work mad hours, graft their hearts out and a management team who's only wish is do something that we all like, putting their own cash in, I just feel down. Mainly because it's plain you don't know WTF you are talking about. I do. I started, aged 14, as KP at The Leigh Arms in Prestbury. That’s a Kitchen Porter to you, the place where a helluva lot of us start in the industry. Scrubbing floors on our hands and knees. And let me assure you, simply because a Journalist at the Guardian took a swipe at a place her Editor booted her up the arse to come and visit, grumbled all the way on the train from That There London, then gave it a particularly nasty write up doesn't mean that you have been vindicated. The Guardian will run out of their trust fund money in the next five years, money that us Mancunians put in that kitty for those bleeding hearts to piss up the wall. Where will you be then, Mr. Moran? Misery loves company, but hopefully there will be only one miserable sod around for us all to have to put up with. Today is a travesty; but one thing I know, if enough of us keep shouting encouragement we will carry on producing young stars, of the Michelin variety or not. Can you stay in your little dank, dark hole during the process? I think that is the place best fitting your talents.

Jonathan MoranSeptember 26th 2013.

Good puppy Mr Garner, your masters will be pleased ;) x

AndrewSeptember 26th 2013.

Garner - I am right behind Living Ventures and what they are doing, but to say Artisan needs a little tweeking is a bit of a stretch. the food is really below everythign else they have done so far and needs scrap the menu and start again.

Simon TurnerSeptember 26th 2013.

Artisan is terrible, had the worst meal there the other day and the accusation that LV have a bad case of style over substance is also true. It might be "fun" but as a restaurant it's a dead loss. As for the Michelin stars, for some establishments it may be a useful goal to aim at but it's not the only criterion for success is it?

Jonathan MoranSeptember 26th 2013.

Artisan would simply not be tolerated in other cities and yes I'm sorry Gordo but that includes London. Maybe IF Mancon did not come across as such a self righteous clique who seem only to exist to promote LV and it's brand and oppress anyone who dares deviate from this mantra people would not take your publication to task? As for you posting a mini CV and credentials, I'm not sure of the relevance of this, but it was interesting you did not include your previous 'career'..... Anyway your pompous and chauvinistic appearance on Come Dine With Me told me all I need to know about your character.

Charlie ButterworthSeptember 26th 2013.

That first sentence is ludicrous. Leeds won't 'tolerate' Artisan? Really? Not sure what this thread has to do with Michelin and Manchester but Jonathan Moran's happiness that we didn't any stars is a bit weird.

Jonathan MoranSeptember 26th 2013.

I meant cities who want to market themselves to a world audience so the likes of Leeds have no more relevance than say Rotherham.

Charlie ButterworthSeptember 26th 2013.

You still are talking nonsense. Are you saying Antwerp, Stockholm or Hamburg wouldn't tolerate Artisan? Why on earth wouldn't they? Do you travel much? This sounds a little like self-loathing to me.

AnonymousSeptember 26th 2013.

Sorry Mark, but i'm afraid the food at Artisan needs a lot more than 'tweaking'. The Guardian review was a bit over the top, but i've eaten there three times now, and most of the food is distinctly below average.

Mark Garner The PublisherSeptember 26th 2013.

Mr. Moran, my 'previous' careers include the following; Master Butcher, Supermarket MD, publisher of cookbooks, French leisure property developer, Publisher, again, books, marketeer, Sky TV, Sky Alternatives, Satelite TV Pornographer, Owner, Bankrupt, (twice) Mintball, Manchester's second ISP, latterly publishing online vertical net portals, part owner with Tony Wilson' Music33.com, owner, ManCon, built from scratch and a blank screen, writer, small time broadcaster, Publisher. I have had a ball. I have failed at many things and made fortunes at others. Mr Moran, WTF have you done? Oh, yes, I have supplied you with a platform to air your views.

Jonathan MoranSeptember 26th 2013.

And thanks for doing that Mr Garner, it's been a blast jousting with you. Keep it up.

TimbucSeptember 26th 2013.

Gordo, you do yourself no favours by having a pop at Marina O'Loughlin who isn't the one having a go at you and who is a better food critic than you or anyone who writes for this site can ever dream to be. And before you leap in with two feet on me as well, I'm siding with neither you or Jonathan, I'm just saying that dragging someone as exquisitely talented as she is will only undermine your argument and make you look silly.

Jonathan MoranSeptember 26th 2013.

^^^THIS^^^

AnonymousOctober 7th 2013.

Mark, I had no idea you'd had so many different jobs! I genuinely hope one day you'll find something you're good at. All the best...

rinkydinkSeptember 26th 2013.

Don't you mean gaff? What a gaffe!

AnonymousSeptember 26th 2013.

Manchester has no idea what it wants. They say "Give us modern, the likes of London", build it and they say it's not traditional enough. Do traditional, and it's old hat, get with the times. It's an over opinionated, under experienced clientele who are happier eating and drinking in the familiar climes of chains or fucking burger joints!

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HieronymousSeptember 26th 2013.

What you on about dingbat? What has this got to do with whether The French is worthy of a Michelin or not?

AnonymousSeptember 26th 2013.

Anon. I know what I want and I live here. What a ridiculous post. On what facts are you basing your strange opinion?

Paul CarterSeptember 26th 2013.

Michelin is irrelevant. They have a real problem with pubs serving gourmet food and also restaurants serving tapas style portions or set menus. Ramsons under Naz never got a star because the inspector wasn't happy with the style of the menu, yet the cooking could easily have grabbed two stars. Similarly Aumbry should walk a star, it's that good. How Rogan at the Midland hasn't got one or maybe two stars is beyond me. If you want a better indication of how good a restaurant is go to the Good Food Guide - if a restaurant is marked 5 or 6 in there it's a good indication that it's worthy of one star, 7 or 8 two stars and nine or 10 three stars. The Good Food Guide knocks the socks of Michelin because it's consistent.

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AnonymousSeptember 26th 2013.

Balls to that, the Fat duck is set menu only and they give that 3*. Isnt the hand and flowers pub a 2* place?

AnonymousSeptember 26th 2013.

Ok, well as a resident, what do you want from Manchester? It's based on venues like L'entrecote which closed it's doors as "Mancunians who know what they want" did get it. And if you have read the press release from Living Ventures regarding Manchester House, they gloat about it's closure, meaning that they saw it's quality and delivery as a threat. The as a company are suffocating Manchester, delivering the same product with different fixtures and fittings each time and a different name above the door. This however, doesn't seem to stop droves of people knowing that this is what they want, robotic service and average food with terrible cocktails. Will they get the much desired Michelin that they are openly seeking? Probably not. But it's great PR telling the world that they are trying their little silk socks off to do so! The point be Heironymous, that even if Manchester did get a Michelin, it won't please everyone, people all over this forum will continue to have their two cents worth of opinion which won't change a damn thing.

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AndrewSeptember 26th 2013.

I am sick of people talking about L'entrcote and saying people "didn't get it". They do a poor salad, chips and steak. Nothing to get really. People were obsessed with the fact it works in London and Paris, like it was some kind of confirmation the north was backward. It a chain, quite like TGI but with less choice (no choice in fact).

Giles HineSeptember 26th 2013.

L'Entrecote was shit food, overpriced. The food was not pleasant to the eye or to the palate. Having not eaten at French, I can't comment on the quality. But friends who have been liked it very much despite the high price.

Hero
RevaulxSeptember 26th 2013.

I did "get" L'Entrecote, and am very sorry it's gone, but its closure is hardly a slur on Manchester's culinary reputation, and the idea that it offered competition to anywhere "high-end" is frankly absurd

HieronymousSeptember 26th 2013.

[Anon] I'm sure I'd contest your point if I had the faintest idea what it was.

TimbucSeptember 26th 2013.

I got L'Entrecote and I didn't absolutely hate the food. In fact, I quite enjoyed it when I went for £13.65 each (which included a bottle of house wine between the two of us). That was about the right price. But £21.50 (if I remember rightly) is a fricking rip-off for what they delivered. And would be a rip-off in London never mind up here.

Bill LeighSeptember 26th 2013.

I've just returned from France (I go every year and oten visit the restos) and believe me The French at The Midland does deserve a Michelin star (for what it's worth). There are loads of Michelin one star restos in France that come nowhere near The French for food quality and presentation etc (or on the strength of one visit, Manchester House) but which somehow manage to cling on to their faded star and faded reputations year after year. Of course, there are brilliant Michelin multi-starred restos in France, but the 'gap' between them and what is now being done at the French and emerging at Manchester House isn't big, and certainly not so so big as to deny The French a single star.

Darren TamSeptember 26th 2013.

Very surprised that The French didn't get a Michelin star. I have yet to dine there but I wonder is it because their menu is a little too similar to L'Enclume's?

Dan McGlynnSeptember 26th 2013.

Some good points made above (and some ridiculous ones). To be honest, having eaten at The French last week, I'm not surprised it didn't get a star. Because it simply wasn't good enough. We had the full 10 courses. Of those at least three were well over seasoned to the point that the flavours didn't stand a chance of breaking through the frankly uncomfortable saltiness. Some of the dishes were good- but they all need to hit the mark if they are to aim for a star. The beauty about a tasting menu is the combination of flavours coming together to create a unique taste experience. Unfortunately I don't think they delivered this. Its still got a way to go in my opinion. It has the potential and I hope they get there, but they are not there yet. It is very rare for any restaurant to get a star in its first year of service, and I honestly think there is some naivety here by people thinking that it might happen at The French.

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Mark Garner The PublisherSeptember 26th 2013.

Thanks for that Dan. Please folks, this is the kind of criticism that is needed, not knee jerk political claptrap.

AndrewSeptember 26th 2013.

Agreed, I had thought the broth thing (where they pour it from the little kettle) was tepid and bland. I found the mussel in an edible shell to be unpleasant and didn’t realize the sand the seaweed was stood in was in fact just sand and sprinkled it on my black pudding mouse. Everything else was superb!

Hero
RevaulxSeptember 26th 2013.

Each to his own. I liked some dishes more than others, but one of the things that most impressed me about the whole meal was that they DIDN'T stint on the salt

ScoteeeSeptember 27th 2013.

I took my better half to Abode last Friday evening and had the full taster menu with wines to match. It was exceptional they are doing their very best to gain attention just now and the team who are passionate made the evening for us. They care about you and if you show an interest in them the evening just gets better... The 9 course taster menu to celebrate 5 years of Michael Caines ( best of ) was a real treat - go try it

AnonymousSeptember 26th 2013.

I'm just pleased that is past years a star would have been a suprise and now its the lack of a star thats a suprise. Any sign of progress is welcome in the dining scene and manchester seems to be betting better year by year.

DavidSeptember 26th 2013.

The reason Manchester has no Michelin star restaurants has got nothing to do with the quality of chefs we produce,or a lack of sophistication of the people.The reason wealth.For that we need more company Headquarters to be based here,we need more rich local and foreign people living in the city,and we need more affluent tourists.The fact we don't is down to have a political,financial,media,and intellectual establishment based in London who have total disdain for their own country and are only care about the interests of London.Plus we have local Labour MPs and councils who do nothing to challenge this,and in fact prefer to invest in London airports rather than Manchester.Unless this changes Manchester will never sustain high end restaurants.

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AndrewSeptember 26th 2013.

Dave - I find what you have just wrote idiotic and offensive - "lack of sophistication of the people" but you’re entitled to you opinion.

Hero
RevaulxSeptember 26th 2013.

Surely Manchester has more of all the things you cite than Birmingham? Yet the latter now has four Michelin-starred restaurants...

DavidSeptember 26th 2013.

I said it got nothing to do with the sophistication of people.People in Manchester have just as much refined taste as in London.What we don't have is the high paying jobs,company expenses,and affluent foreign rich that London has.High quality restaurants need wealth to be sustainable and that's what we lack in Manchester.

DavidSeptember 26th 2013.

Birmingham is the centre of the Uk car and engineering industry and has a long history of being location for business conferences.Also it has twice the population of Manchester.

DavidSeptember 26th 2013.

The lack of high quality restaurants,five star hotels,luxury shops,and high end cultural facilities like an Opera House,is one of the principal reasons Manchester cannot compete on a global scale for events like the Olympics.Its why Chelsea have a mega rich owner,we are just not attractive as place for such people to live,because we lack what London has for them.

AnonymousSeptember 26th 2013.

Birmingham doesn't have boroughs like Trafford, Tameside, Salford etc though, love. That's what makes it sound much bigger than it is. Culturally, Birmingham is a very large town. Leeds, Sheffield, and even Nottingham are more city-like.

AnonymousSeptember 27th 2013.

Nonsense from david there are a number of one star joints in london where you can eat lunch for £25 a head and dinner for £40-45 (all without booze) I can think of 10-20 places in manchester where you can easily blow more money than that on dinner. There is plenty of cash here there just isnt yet the tallent in the kitchens.

IanSeptember 30th 2013.

There are much smaller and poorer places which have or have had a michelin star, so what you said was nonsense.

AnonymousDecember 18th 2013.

Clearly you have never been to Birmingham 'Anonymous'...? Calling it a very large town is just laughable. I suggest you go there and realise how idiotic your comment is.

AnonymousSeptember 26th 2013.

Pipe down food snobs. Jeez, when did we all become such know it alls about food anyway. You're like a bunch of squabbling school kids.

DavidSeptember 26th 2013.

Birmingham is near Coventry,Wolverhampton,Milton Keynes,Stratford,and whole of Midlands and much nearer London.It has plenty of wealthy areas as well

DavidSeptember 26th 2013.

Also Salford is not a borough of Manchester it is a City,and Tameside is not a borough of Manchester either.Trafford is a separate council area from Manchester also.

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AnonymousSeptember 26th 2013.

Stop being so pedantic David. The point is that they are all part of the Greater Manchester conurbation, just like Birmingham makes up part of the West Midlands conurbation. The two are very similar in terms of population numbers.

DavidSeptember 26th 2013.

Birmingham is similar in size to Greater Manchester,but it has more business with head office there.We have lost in Manchester the likes of Guardian Media,Amec etc because frankly the MD and his wife would prefer to be living in London.Even Man U commercial operation is based in London.Its corporate expense account customers who largely sustain high end dining and Manchester cannot retain or attract them

AnonymousSeptember 27th 2013.

Most of Utd's fans are within the M25 anyway!

Dan McGlynnSeptember 26th 2013.

David- how do the likes of Nottingham, Sheffield and Birkenhead fit into your argument?

AnonymousSeptember 26th 2013.

Maybe you might get less ranty comments, if you changed the button below to 'Post My Constructive Ciritcism' rather than 'Post My Rant' ;) Been fun reading it tho. Will be sure to book The French next time I'm back in Manc.

Brian SmithSeptember 26th 2013.

I had one of the best meals ever at The French and last week an equally great meal at Mr Coopers. Well done Simon Rogan and all your staff, Michelin stars would be nice but in reality who gives a monkies. Great food, great service a credit to Manchester.

silkySeptember 26th 2013.

!!!!!!!!

AnonymousSeptember 26th 2013.

RIP Carol Ainscow

AnonymousSeptember 26th 2013.

This is all becoming rather embarrassing. Not the fact that Manchester hasn't got a Michelin star restaurant, but the small town mindset & OBSESSION, we see all too clearly here, about it all! (Seems the "oh so sneering" metropolitan BBC has cottoned onto this "provincial paranoia" now also? Not looking forward to their upcoming expose, so stop giving them all this ammo MC!)

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Steve5839September 26th 2013.

I enjoyed it the last time I was there and on that visit it was of Michelin quality.

AnonymousSeptember 26th 2013.

I really think Cibo in Didsbury deserved a star or three and I think all at Confidential would agree with me.

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Simon TurnerSeptember 26th 2013.

In your dreams.

AnonymousSeptember 27th 2013.

'Wooosh' goes the Cibo quote as it flies over the head of Simon Turner, age 35.

AnonymousSeptember 27th 2013.

Whatever happened to the Cibo review? did it ever apear?

Hero
David GaleSeptember 26th 2013.

manchester not getting a star may be down to slightly bad timming more than anything else as i pretty sure the judging is done between now and begining of june which means both the french and manchester house would have missed any assesments that were needed just thoguhts of course and i maybe wrong but that is how it always use to be thanks dave

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TimbucSeptember 26th 2013.

I agree. I thought The French might just sneak in because of the high standard and because of Simon Rogan's excellent track record. Deep down though I always thought it might not quite make it. I'm prepared to bet they'll have a star next year.

Stephano7September 26th 2013.

Blimey, I've actually just moved to Manchester for the excellent and varied restaurants. But after all the above negative vibes, I must be wrong, think I'll move back to Morecambe!

captain blackSeptember 26th 2013.

celebrity trough attendee jay rayner would eat the out of date contents of a rusty fridge. anyone who wants a decent meal in manchester would be best advised to head for piccadilly station and get on a train to 'that' london.

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rinkydinkSeptember 27th 2013.

If it attracts d!ckheads like you then no thanks

captain blackSeptember 28th 2013.

no need for personal insults. you gravy slurping, pie chucking, pickle crazed master of the english language.

CharlotteSeptember 26th 2013.

How much time has been spent on this idiotic conversation?

Jonathan SchofieldSeptember 26th 2013.

Charlotte, start a political party. I'm voting for you even though I helped start all this.

rinkydinkSeptember 26th 2013.

It's all a pile of cr@p. Find a restaurant that serves food that you like, cooked and presented the way you like, in surroundings that you like. Have the confidence in your own integrity and taste to not give a sh#te about what anybody else thinks. If you are worried or concerned about this topic you are seriously short of things to worry about. Stop looking for affirmation from others. Can't Manchester lead the way by banning these so-called experts from it's restaurants? To stand up and say 'keep your meaningless, kiss-ass Michelin stars?' I would far rather live in an anti-establishment Republic of Mancunia than a London wannabe

AnonymousSeptember 26th 2013.

All this shows is that Michelin isn't fit for purpose as a decent food guide as they're far too focused on the South. They've also worked out that if they don't give any of the very fine restaurants in the Manchester area any stars then they'll get lots of free publicity. I wonder where the reviewers live (South East?) and if there are any blind taste tests done (not). What I do know is that when Simon Rimmer (no stars) cooked against Marcus Waring (2 stars) on a blind taste test then all the judges thought Rimmer cooked the better food. What does that tell you? That this guide is more about geographical bias and snobbery than cooking. There are other better guides about food e.g. AA guide.

Dan McGlynnSeptember 27th 2013.

Rinkydink- A Michelin star is pretty much the most prestigious award a chef can receive. It is massively career boosting. Why would a chef, who has worked as hard as they do, "ban" Michelin inspectors from their restaurant?? Would a musician refuse a grammy??

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rinkydinkSeptember 27th 2013.

If the musician was principled and saw it for the self-congratulatory back-slapping exercise that it is then yes they would. These awards are based on the opinion of a minority. If you make music, release it and hope that people connect with it and like it and make money from it if you can. Let the people decide what is good and what is bad through their decision to purchase or not. The rest is b×llocks

Dan McGlynnSeptember 27th 2013.

Anonymous- what you mean to say is Simon Rimmer (2 stars), Marcus Waring (2 stars). Please do your research.

Dan McGlynnSeptember 27th 2013.

Ignore last comment- read as Simon Rogan! D'oh!!!

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Dan McGlynnSeptember 27th 2013.

**gets coat

AnonymousSeptember 27th 2013.

I am tipping the stake and ale pie at manchester house to ascend them to Michelin stardom

AnonymousSeptember 27th 2013.

Michelin restaurants? Daylight rubbery!

Mr knottySeptember 28th 2013.

Having enjoyed an evening at Simpsons in Birmingham I can honestly say I'm miffed at the Michelin guide the only thing could be the time the French has been open under Mr Rogan as it's every bit as good,So be patient it will come next year along with Manchester House.

Mr knottySeptember 28th 2013.

Ps if you think the guide doesn't matter ask Marco he attained 3 stars and 3 knife and forks and apart from the likes of Alain Ducasse and a few incredible chefs have managed to achieve,, on attaining this dizzy height he quit stating there was nothing more to achieve!!! Well maybe to sell stock cubes and escape the madness that it induced in the pursuit of perfection!!

DavidSeptember 30th 2013.

Cities with great restaurants like Lyon,Barcelona etc tend to be ones with a vibrant tourist and business economy.Manchester has a socialist leadership doing its best to kill it,with its excessive and draconian parking charges and its inability to even bother to keep the streets clean.You only have to walk around King Street and Spiinningfields to see the consequences,scores of empty shop units.Brooks Brothers,Gant etc are all pulling out because the city is failing and that is down to incompetent leadership at the top of the council.

Charlie ButterworthOctober 3rd 2013.

Let's have some logic here David. Restaurants are opening not closing, the retail sector is another thing altogether so you can't link the two. We have great restaurants.

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