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Last Days Of The Twisted Wheel Club

James Graham records the last dance before the recent demolition

Written by . Published on April 16th 2014.


Last Days Of The Twisted Wheel Club
 

A MANCHESTER journalist has made a short film about the last soul sessions at the old Twisted Wheel building in Manchester before it was demolished to make way for a hotel.

There's such passion amongst the Northern Soul crowd and the Twisted Wheel night was very special.

In the 1960s the venue hosted soul nights and performances by artists such as Ike and Tina Turner, Edwin Starr and Ben E King, and it is considered to be the birth place of Northern Soul.

The club closed in 1971 and went on to become Placemate 7, and more recently Legends, but DJ Pete Roberts resurrected soul sessions in 2000 using the Twisted Wheel name.

Motel One - computer projection

Motel One - computer projection

James Graham's film, Long After Tonight - The Last Days of the Twisted Wheel, captures the final nights in December 2012, and the subsequent demolition.

He said: "I work nearby and wanted to capture the building and everyone who went to the soul nights before it vanished. So many significant buildings are swept away and forgotten.

"There's such passion amongst the Northern Soul crowd and the Twisted Wheel night is continuing at another club, but for them this venue was very special. I hope I captured that and also the way people and their passions tend to get swept away in the name of regeneration."

Twisted Wheel - back in the day

Twisted Wheel - back in the day

The buildings were owned by Targetfollow and sold off when part of that business went into administration. They were picked up by London-based Olympian Homes which struck a development agreement with German hotel chain Motel One. Construction on the hotel is now underway.

The lease was held by Julian Lyons who employed around 60 staff at the Hotel International, a pub called The Outpost and Legends. 

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AnonymousApril 16th 2014.

QUOTE; "The buildings were owned by Targetfollow and sold off when part of that business went into administration. They were picked up by LONDON-BASED Olympian Homes which struck a development agreement with German hotel chain Motel One. Construction on the hotel is now underway." Thanks for the info there James. And sadly nobody in Manchester (ie specifically the council) could do a damn thing about their redevelopment plans for this site in our city? Right?

Kate HarrisonApril 16th 2014.

We made detailed submissions to the planning committee but made no difference!

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AnonymousApril 16th 2014.

Because it is a set up! Much respect and so sorry for your ignored efforts. It sickens me. That huge petition, so much love and no-one but 'everyday' people cared. Disgusting sham and tragedy. Too much wrong that needs to be better and can never be recovered.

Peter CoppingApril 16th 2014.

You may have made detailed submissions but they were far too late. Unless you can show that the development is contrary to the various planning documents the owner/developer will win. You can get the building listed, you can buy it or show that the development in contrary to the planning documents. In Manchester for a long time there has been a strong presumption for development, other things being equal. I must add that aesthetics and history have very little bearing on most PLANNING DECISIONS. and even where they do they are weak You can see this in the changes English Heritage recommended for West Properties' Origin Residents got the height reduced before it went to Planning, but they would not be able to do this now since the 'Sky Scrapers Party' have won. The Fire Station is listed. Man Con would get into trouble if I said more about the current state of that struggle but just have a look at it. If you want to try to keep something make you pre planning representations now. and hire you PR Agency. (Development is real life negotiated.) By the time it is public knowledge it is too late.

AnonymousApril 16th 2014.

Wasted opportunity. What is a "Gateway" to Manchester from Piccadilly now has hastily build and very smelly apartments and a cheap hotel.

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AnonymousApril 16th 2014.

Truly a 'World Ass' city

AnonymousApril 16th 2014.

I truly believe we are in a Planning Crisis in Manchester. Legends destruction after the music history there is appalling. Utterly gut wrenching. From London Road Fire Station and the mess of the CPO (no public interest or research needed, no legally binding contract, no options) and 28yrs of abuse from Britannia, we now have MEN campaign for the mess of Piccadilly Gardens. Library Walk is a travesty. Century House next to be torn down is shameful. The failures of citizen consultation at EVERY turn and the contempt the city and public are given by Manchester City Council and the lack of imagination or credence given to opinions, opportunity is disgusting. Now we have Pomona being wrecked. We have had long term desecration of Heritage way before the excuses given to the 'crash' 2008 (see the appalling fights campaigners at Ancoats Dispensary had to make). Now the zombie carparks fiascoes, the lists of At Risk or abandoned Heritage, the preference given to the same architects and developers. The appalling Origin mess. The decline of the Village. The soon to be empty Sackville Buildings without a buyer in 2018 despite this 'preparation' and 'support' needed for a strategy with UoM and MCC needed imminently. What a banal mess Manchester is becoming and its potential ruined by a supposedly Labour Council that has contempt for citizens and no foresight or imagination whatsoever. Everyday it seems worse and worse... Musical history and nightlife that other cities would cherish, torn down for what and whom (like Hacienda)? With Jimi Hendrix, Bob Marley having played there, icons have died, the strength of Northern Soul echoing in its walls, but it meant nothing to our weak leaders. I love this city but it seems the immovable Leaders love other things much more... I was a part of the exhibition for LRFS last August in Piccadilly Place that NONE of the Council came to and a man in his seventies who had not been back to Manchester in 5 or 6 years had tears in his eyes as he saw the bulldozers and wrecking balls knock down the walls of his beloved Legends/Twisted Wheel. He, like all of us, like that petition of thousands, just could not believe it could be possible. What a broken and horribly mundane city this is becoming. Someone with balls needs to rip up this fictitious rule book, respect the people and for once do the right thing! For once, do the right thing before more is destroyed. And yes I am angry, like so many people, disenfranchised, ignored and disrespected. And it is real.

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AnonymousApril 16th 2014.

Blaa Blaa. All I took from that is "I AM VERY VERY ANGRY!!!!!!!"

TomApril 16th 2014.

Because some people care and some people don't. What a pointless reply. Twisted Wheel and Legends was so important, too important for some crap motel and crap comment.

AnonymousApril 16th 2014.

Actually Tom I thought it was a terrible decision and was gutted to see the club go for all sorts of reasons. I thought the reasoning in the officer's planning report quite weak in places. If taken to appeal I think it would have had a sporting chance of being overturned but unfortunately the committee approved the plans and there wasn't enough public or political pressure to get it taken to appeal. All I'm saying is that lazy incoherent rants like the one above at best achieve nothing and at worst turn people off. Not only is it almost completely unintelligible, it demonstrates little understanding of how the world works.

Simon JonesApril 16th 2014.

Anonymous#2 has a point. So much information and so little coherence. There's no pointing caring if you're too ranty to be useful

AnonymousApril 16th 2014.

That's why I avoid commenting usually. Nevertheless, there's a lot wrong in the city and a lot that needs to be improved. Short enough to be coherent? Won't check back because it is too easy to be misunderstood and winds me up. Put it this way I care and may express myself poorly in prose so mock as some will. Frustration and anger are the result of huge disappointment. Hope you have some understanding of why whether my writing is appalling or not.

SamApril 16th 2014.

Though I see people mainly agree with the main point that people are fed up about a lot of issues in Manchester. It's a given Twisted Wheel cannot be replaced.

Jonathan SchofieldApril 16th 2014.

Bit wild that rant Anon, Manchester's still a superb city and nowhere near as grim as you paint. I wouldn't live anywhere else. However just one point, the MEN have a campaign but Manchester Confidential have led on Picc Gardens so please credit us for this, not the Johnny come lately MEN.

Simon JonesApril 16th 2014.

Anonymous#3, planning appeals can only be brought by the applicant. There is no right in the system for objectors to bring an appeal. www.civicvoice.org.uk/…/Community_right_to_Appeal_Feb_2013_2.pdf…

Simon JonesApril 16th 2014.

Anonymous #4, maybe try making ONE point well and and coherently, instead of the the scattershot approach of throwing out ideas in the hope that some of it makes sense? People would be more likely to engage with what you have to say if you avoid ranting.

AnonymousApril 16th 2014.

Simon - good point. Meant refused and upheld (at inevitable developer appeal) rather than committee decision being overturned. Thinking of recent planning app for Castlefield apartment block. Shame the same interest could not have been generated here. Personally think that the club and style of buildings was just too niche.

AnonymousApril 17th 2014.

Broke promise and I did check back! Felt somewhat invested. Jonathan, yes known for my berserker bottleneck moments! I do think Manchester is a great city and that's why leaders need to do better and harness the astounding potential not destroy it. The 'excuse' book 'that nothing can be/ could be/ will be possible' is just so tiring, as is ignoring the passion and loves of the people. But I am adamant about what I am saying about this case and too many others. Motel One is a travesty. Ugly dross that unforgivably will sit at the entrance to Manchester. It did not have to be built. Other cities across this world would kill for the musical legacies of Manchester, but not enough is made of them (especially for tourism and respect of a peoples history). As for Piccadilly Gardens - I think every publication in Manchester has had a hate rant on that and I've gratefully seen yours. Which goes back to the point decisions are 'dumped' on Manchester without enough consideration. No wonder voters turn out is so low as no real choice. Several friends told me after the Legends/Twisted Wheel Petition, I will never bother supporting a Manchester campaign again, because it is too disappointing to raise your hopes. And that is appalling. I probably made far too many points again! Sorry.

AnonymousApril 17th 2014.

There was a huge campaign against Argent's redevelopment plans for Piccadilly Gardens back at the planning stage you know. The plans were almost universally hated, except by the Town Hall so they went ahead with the scheme anyway. One councillor even referred to the complainers as nothing more than "middle-class to**ers from Chehsire" didn't he? I know the late Tony Wilson was horrified by the plans and was one of the dissenters, maybe you were back then too Jonathan? So what this current campaign by the MEN hopes to achieve, I just don't know. The council will never admit to "any mistake" - they just ain't listening folks and I don't think they ever will!

DigsterApril 16th 2014.

I took it as being very passionate - nothing wrong with that.

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DavidApril 16th 2014.

Campaigns by Manchester Confidential and MEN on single issues are pointless because both sing from the same pro Labour hymn sheet.They just won't accept that the common problem is the Labour council,not just one or two wrong policies. Things will only change in Manchester when the political leadership of the council changes.The present leadership will never change and start to listen to people. Mr SCHOFIELD does not seem to be prepared to accept this.Any government or leadership whether Mrs Thatcher or Tony Blair becomes increasingly out of touch if it stays in power for too long,and 1997-2014 is to long for any leaders to remain in power.Not only that they are blocking the possibility of younger talented people reaching the top in this city.Manchester is now a city led by a duo of out of touch,old men.

AnonymousApril 17th 2014.

I have to agree David. To have fresh eyes, fresh leaders is so important and for that renewal of energy and ideas. The Blair and Thatcher metaphors are well received. Similarly, some of the revelations about some leaders links to property developers and surely these are huge conflicts of interest? Or they should be used as huge tools for political lobbying and influence as to what Mancunians actually want. It does seem stale and 17/18 years of leadership cannot be healthy for anyone or anywhere and there needs to be a maximum term that has now been far exceeded. Labour to my mind (where you and me will probably have different opinions) need to return to its grass root values and we need some rebel Councillors and Leaders that will not tow the party line and the 90% whip in the Town Hall. Else there's no scrutiny or rooms for debate.

DavidApril 17th 2014.

I am not against future Leaders being Labour,but we need healthy competition.I don't want the Tories Or Liberals either to remain in power for decades.When they have to fight hard to to win each time they will have to listen more to what people want and they will have to put up more charismatic and talented candidates. The best thing that could happen for Labour would be defeat,then the leadership might be challenged by ambitious people with fresh ideas.

Mark FullerApril 17th 2014.

Although I agree with you up to a point David- Manchester has become a one party city- I think you are being too pessimistic. The council, perhaps because local elections are coming up, are responding to the tidal wave of criticism over the awful Piccadilly Gardens, pavilion and "Berlin Wall". A much needed revamp and transformation is now on the cards in this important area.

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AnonymousApril 17th 2014.

To me the most central point is this. Graham Stringer said Labour has lost its way and I feel that is so evident in Manchester. It seems there is 'Manchester's Holy Bible of Political Excuses and PR' rolled out before, during and after upsetting and unnecessary rulings and the responses smack of insincerity. I do not know if there is a department in the Council that works for public engagement in planning, because if there is they are doing an appalling job! It's hardly a learning culture! Involving, empowering and keeping citizens in dialogue is surely the priority? Twisted Wheel can never come back. People did try and campaign to save it. Public knowledge as the first poster says is always FAR TOO LATE! At least Piccadilly Gardens could be reconfigured but this happened in 2002 in years of prosperity and power! People hated it then but the failed concept was bulldozed through! I am sure after much 'considered' non-consultation it will be aligned with barbed wire, will start to crumble and the benches will have shards of wood sticking out of them! Can't MCC do better & listen, be genuine and involve people in these decisions? Or do we have to hear the regurgitation of the 'cannot's', that could of been could of? That is the true cynical pessimism.

Simon TurnerApril 17th 2014.

What are all the people posting on here and getting angry suggesting should have happened? The Twisted Wheel closed in 1971. Over the next 40 years various events were held in the club, only a few of them related to Northern Soul, most of the them gay nights. In 2012 the business owned by people running the building was failing, it had to be sold. When music venues are no longer financially sustainable what do we do? Subsidise them?

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AnonymousApril 17th 2014.

I don't think that's correct. The leaseholder Julian Lyons wanted to buy the buildings at auction but a deal was done beforehand. The sale of the sale was nothing to do with the trading performance of the nightclub, hotel and bar (see the penultimate paragraph of the story). The Twisted Wheel did close a long time ago but many feel that places of cultural significance should be preserved regardless of their financial viability. Take the Elizabeth Gaskell house in Ardwick. That looks fantastic now, but only due to the persistence of campaigners over many years.

AnonymousApril 17th 2014.

Because it had many incarnations and so much history. So much more history than a block of tat akin to some of the 60s concrete monstrosities. It's like acquiring Liverpool's Cavern Club and turning it into a McDonald's. Somehow get grants to revive them or wait for better financial times to create new possibilities. It wasn't a dereliction zone and could of survived. It would be good to hear the outcry from Councillor's who disagreed with its demolition to be more vocal and to say, yes this did not have to happen. Ways need to be found to safeguard legacies not be complicit in seeing them turning into uninspired and soulless breezeblock dumps.

Simon TurnerApril 17th 2014.

So you think it would be great to turn it into a museum? "Preserved"? This isn't how culture works, unless you want to live in a theme park.

SamApril 17th 2014.

What is Labour? Or is it now called Liebour? The vast majority of them ain't listening and don't care anyway. We're afterthoughts way down the list. But the rest are awful too. Vote Pirate Party to rebel even if they won't get in! They might be more honest. Councillor's complicity trying to play the game in their party won't change anything so would be nice to see some independents.

AnonymousApril 17th 2014.

Mark....I think you're being a bit optimistic. Are those voters outside of the city ward going to be as angry? The invisible Elaine Bowes is up fro re-election this time. So I assume is stepping down. I'm not sure Marc Ramsbottom is allowed to stand again. In all likeliness we will get a 3rd Labour councilor in Beth Knowles. It doesn't matter what your political persuasion is, no leadership of any large organisation should go with out challenge to the leadership for 16 years. A business wouldn't do it, a government wouldn't do it so why does Manchester City Council seem to think it's ok?....So, David is right. As for anon above, read the interview with HB on here. If you don't agree .....you're wrong.

Mark FullerApril 17th 2014.

I accept that our great leaders probably are just pretending to be listening to the people. But because some of the criticism re. Picc. Gardens is coming from visitors, the arrogant so and so's will for once act. Tourism is now a vital component of the cities economy.

DavidApril 17th 2014.

If we had genuine political competition in Manchester,like you have in London for the Mayor elections then you could be 100% certain that all three parties would be falling over themselves trying to offer the most voter pleasing plans for Piccadilly Gardens,in order to win.

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AnonymousApril 17th 2014.

A proportional representation voting system would reinvigorate the currently "politically dead" city of Manchester (and almost all of Labour's northern strongholds) virtually overnight. Then devolving significant powers (real power?) to town halls would also see more educated & aspirational professionals enter local politics - than the current bunch of retired bus drivers, union reps & social workers that our major cities & towns are all lumbered with now.

AnonymousApril 17th 2014.

Would it though, or would it you know result in broadly speaking the same, because it's what the people clearly want...

Poster BoyApril 17th 2014.

When will the all-talk Anonymous ranters have the courage of their convictions, stand for election, and actually do something...?

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AnonymousApril 17th 2014.

You always post poster boy. Are you standing? If you get yourself elected I am sure you'd expect scrutiny! Besides most are not good at being 'told' what to do which seems too much of politics as does painting over glaring cracks, intuition and ethics. As for the 'top', think 17/18 years is good enough for any leadership innings don't you think?

AnonymousApril 17th 2014.

All well and good apart from the fact - aside from the odd area - that unless you wish you stand for Labour, it is nigh on impossible to get elected in the City of Manchester.

Poster BoyApril 17th 2014.

All talk, no action. That's the anti-lobby. Anti Britannia, anti Leese, anti Bernstein, anti City Council, anti planning, anti development, anti private sector, anti progress, anti growth, anti this and anti that.

SamApril 17th 2014.

Anti progress? This was progress? People's opinions or do you have the monopoly on those too always being right?

AnonymousApril 17th 2014.

Is it 'anti' or an expectation to do better? Too many contradictions in your anti's too. Many oppose each other and do not think reflect all these critics questions. Seems you are just as dogmatic.

AnonymousApril 17th 2014.

Shut up and know your place, eh Poster Boy? Oh so very English.

SamApril 17th 2014.

Manchester Confidential bloodsports! Just don't tell people what they are. That's very English.

Harold WildebeestApril 17th 2014.

Sam, equating disagreement with censorship, as you do, is the sign of a very insecure intellect.

Simon JonesApril 17th 2014.

What Poster Boy says has an element of truth. There is a lot wrong in Manchester, with the council and other power-holders, but there's also a lot right. But some people will ALWAYS find fault with what they're getting for dinner, irrespective of whether it's slop or fine dining. That's more to do with their personality than the world around them.

SamApril 17th 2014.

Censorship? Said nothing about censorship. I said to Poster Boy don't tell people and me who they are and what I think just because I/ some disagree with the demolishing of Twisted Wheel/ Legends. How many people does he expect to run in the elections to be allowed an opinion anyway? Easy to assume what people 'are' and tell people how pointless their views are. And arrogant.

Harold WildebeestApril 17th 2014.

"People's opinions or do you have the monopoly on those too always being right?" You imply that, by disagreeing with people, Poster Boy is denying them the right to hold and express an opinion. He was only saying that he thought they were wrong.

SamApril 17th 2014.

Sure Harold, I mean Poster Boy. Big up 'progress'. I'm so anti everything I am anti gravity. And he is wrong to suggest demolishing Twisted Wheel/Legends for Motel One is progress IMO. To many it is a big step backwardsand was totally wrong. My mind won't change on that ever. End of.

Harold WildebeestApril 17th 2014.

I'm not Poster Boy. It is possible that more than one person could disagree with you, you know? Talk about arrogance.

SamApril 17th 2014.

Disagree with what? That Twisted Wheel and Legends has been demolished for a monstrosity? Well Harold and Poster Boy as I am not elected I really shouldn't have an opinion. Anyway no time to waste with this claptrap, bank holiday drinks. Keep the memories alive because they killed them. Progress.

Harold WildebeestApril 17th 2014.

Wow, massive chip on your shoulder there Sam. Where did I say anything about being elected? Your passive-aggressive whiny attitude has the same debate-crushing effect that you're accusing Poster Boy of: "Don't tell me I'm wrong, or I'll accuse you of trying to shut me down." Grow up.

AnonymousApril 17th 2014.

Definitely blood sports... urghhhh! Well I for one think that a lot of people think this building is hideous and should never of been allowed. I think for many people that's a given. It is nothing to be proud of and it didn't have to happen what with the petition, outcry, promises Cllr's made and all before the ruling and never seem to speak out afterwards. Let's face it, no-one is ever going to love 'Motel One' as much as Twisted Wheel & Legends but what's the point of arguing with those who can't/ won't see it? A friend just posted on my Facebook "The Council seem hellbent in turning the city centre into a retail park on the outskirts of Swindon...". Would be funny if not so true. Still learning my lesson, avoid ManCon rants at all costs! Stressful, exasperating and tiring! My 'mad' and pointless rant (that really long, angry and super fed up one up there, admittedly too scatter-shot to read) certainly got some people going though... It's how I feel, though I probably 'shouldn't'. It's like the three monkeys fable. So time for for sensory bypasses - especially when I walk by the damnable thing nearly every day in a couple of months. x

GimboidApril 17th 2014.

Anonymous above, (aka A.P. right?) - I find your writing style annoying at times but I absolutely admire your passion. Just channel it better, and exercise some self-restraint on the old gob, and you might not find yourself so frustrated. And sometimes learn that in some instances you have to accept the world as it is. Otherwise you'd go mad. Cheers.

AnonymousApril 18th 2014.

Ha Gimboid! My writing style annoys me too but unless you can re-educate me in grammar! (I have dyspraxia & had adhd too)! Yes, big mouth indeed & I am ever so slightly mad but appreciate the advice. Wisdom isn't at the forefront of my mind either try as I might. But like so many people, sad and angry about a lot of situations and believe in so much better. Anyway, happy Easter & best for now.

AnonymousApril 18th 2014.

Don't be bothered by Gimboid Anon and his/her off-topic sarcasm. He/she just basically comes on here "trolling" for posters who are daring to criticise his/her beloved council. Oh and it usually ends up with him/her accusing them of having mental health issues by the way too. (Yet people want to see David's opinions censored on here instead? All very bizarre.)

GimboidApril 18th 2014.

??!! out of everything I post, you choose to criticise me when I'm actually being sincere and helpful?! You obsessive mentalist. Oops, there I go again.

GimboidApril 18th 2014.

And for the record (how many times have I had to said this?) - the council are NOT beloved by me, I'm publicly on the record for criticising the council. Facts and truth and INFORMED debate are. If anything I'm a sad pedant, so slate me for that if you want.

AnonymousApril 18th 2014.

Well, everyone in this tempestuous life has to most have screws lose and a good thing too. Probably why I annoy Gimboid so much and many other's who are pedants. Too much a fantasist/idealist perhaps I only can be emotive, impulsive and intuitive (many bad repercussions believe me), and it certainly takes all sorts of personalities to make a world. I just think everyday people make mistakes every day (I make hundreds) and we have to live with them, adapt to them and learn from them if we can. But there is something deeply depressing about political classes/ types, where mistakes are never admitted. I love Oliver Burkeman's book The Antidote about the importance of mistakes, learning & stoicism. Things I hate: Hypocrisy, Piousness, Inaction, Impression Management, Bragging, Stonewalling. Things I love: Fighting against all odds, Passion, New Possibilities, Learning, Underdogs, Dreamers. Rants boards and online doesn't necessarily help communication much at all at times and we can all represent ourselves in a bad light especially us argumentative one's(!) But issues like that can be overcome. Wish there was more of an everyday's people think tank and kind of my point (badly made probably lost in my stream of hyperbole) in many Manchester cases. MCC only had to ask the talented populous and involve them for better, truer, finer outcomes - to find ways to fight harder against the things we don't want & share that load to find new ways forward and not repeat the same errors over and over again. No one could argue that there are not a lot of angry people about many cases who do not hate decisions and recent outcomes in 'history'. Must be a better way for a city to share the load, make people more aware, greater forewarn them and work with, not against or detached (IMO) from its people? X all

Poster BoyApril 18th 2014.

Self absorbed alert.

Simon TurnerApril 17th 2014.

Who decides which clubs are kept and somehow "preserved" (by the way, no-one has yet explained what this actually means in practice; does it mean council subsidies)? This venue wasn't even the original home of the Twisted Wheel.

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AnonymousApril 17th 2014.

the Twisted Wheel was based in the building from 1965-1971 and before that in Brazenose St from 1963-1965. You're splitting hairs. It was a significant site to thousands of people

Simon TurnerApril 17th 2014.

Not splitting hairs, just saying it's not the quite the birthplace of Northern Soul if it's not even the birthplace of the Twisted Wheel. But, putting that to one side, so what are you suggesting should've happened to this building? Become a shrine? Been preserved like a museum-piece? Received council subsidies to stay open as a gay club with a once a week 'Twisted Wheel' night?

AnonymousApril 19th 2014.

How about a rational, objective Nd dispassionate appraisal of the merits of the proposal vs the merits of the existing businesses and buildings. There was a very strong case to be made that the social cultural economic and heritage value of the site as was outweighed that brought by the new hotel development. The planning officer's appraisal of these various factors was superficial and presumptuous in the extreme.

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