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<b>Wednesday 1 October</b>: Manchester gets it wrong with too many festivals, Bolton deserted in UAE, United get goals and lose Scholes.

Published on October 1st 2008.


"THERE ARE PROBABLY TOO MANY. We need more planning with them," a council insider told Confidential. Yes it's October and it's festival madness in Manchester. This starts on Thursday with the launch of the Food and Drink Festival, continues over the weekend with In the City (music) Convention, then blossoms out into Science, Literature and Comedy festivals. Five in one month. "Ridiculous, complete lack of focus," said the source. "The city's Marketing agency, Marketing Manchester, Manchester City Council and the organisations themselves need to sort it out." Oh and this weekend there's also the I Bike Mcr mini-festival for worthy pedal-botherers.

BOLTON UNIVERSITY (yes it has one) has plans to expand into the United Arab Emirates just as Abu Dhabi in the latter princedom is expanding into Manchester with Manchester City. A new £1m campus in the UAE will be staffed by lecturers from Bolton and help locals achieve degrees modelled on those in the UK.

SWEET AND SOUR in Denmark for Manchester United last night as they brushed aside Aalborg BK 0-3, but suffered serious injury to Paul Scholes and potentially serious injury to Wayne Rooney. At least Dimitar Berbatov scored twice to, as they say, open his account with United.

SALFORD COUNCIL is producing a map showing iconic and lesser-known landmarks in the city's musical history. Islington Mill, which is associated with the Ting Tings, and the flat where the Sex Pistols Free Trade Hall concert was planned are some of the locations included.

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38 comments so far, continue the conversation, write a comment.

Bingo BagginsOctober 1st 2008.

Nice bit of xenophobia there Paul. You clearly didn't pay attention to your history teacher at school. Otherwise you'd know England has always been multicultural, from Romans to Vikings to Celts to all sorts. In my opinion the cultural multiplicity of our country is wonderful, it's ignorant fools like yourself that I'd like to see kicked out.

PaulOctober 1st 2008.

And exactly what form would an Able Bodied White Caucasian Male festival take? What a ridiculous post.

able bodied, employed, white Caucasian maleOctober 1st 2008.

The council are to blame for having so many festivals. Every feasible ethic/gender/race/religion/ability/sexual persuasion/ etc group (except able bodied, employed, white Caucasian males) has a job fair, sport festival, ‘who we are’ festival plus a plethora of nondescript (or loosely religious) conventions of one form or another. Then when an event that is worthy of more unilateral support comes along – we have no budget…or council ‘desire’ to celebrate.

AnonymousOctober 1st 2008.

That may or may not be, but it doesnt change the fact that the majority (or at very least sizable portion) of british people with heritage or race from various cultures, were born and live and work and contribute to this country legitmatly, so what right do you have to say that such people should not be able to hold festivals? You have hijacked this article to try to put across your opinion on a subject which is just not relevent, unless you do really beleive that non white cultures should not be allowed to express themselves in this country. Is this what you are saying?

AnonymousOctober 1st 2008.

The response to your [justifed and mostly scarily accurate] comments is deafening Englishman. Well done for having the guts to eloquently say what millions think.

PaulOctober 1st 2008.

Englishman - what about the colonies of British ex-pats on the Spanish costas or in other parts of the med who drink in British bars, shop in British supermarkets and generally mix exclusively with other Brits / Anglophones. Is this the kind of integration that you berate our immigrants for lacking? That's rather hypocritcal / ignorant of you. Notwithstanding the fact that there are certain aspects of our government's immigration policy which we need to address, I for one find that it is this very multiculturalism that makes our country so great. It is not a cesspit - describing it as such does in fact make you sound like the obnoxious fascist that you deny you are. And as for the well worn St Georges Day argument, what exactly do you and Englishwoman do to celebrate? There is a reason why the Scots, the Welsh and the Irish celebrate their national days so much more than we do, and that's because historically they were repressed by the English and therefore sought to assert their national identity. England traditionally hasn't felt the need to assert itself as much. As this website is about Manchester, a strenght of which is its multiculturalismm and diversity, I suggest you stop reading a

PaulOctober 1st 2008.

You did say that, effectively!! I quote: "How is English best displayed by celebrating a myriad of cultures?? My England is not-multicultural, it is merely being turned into a multicultural sess-pit by non-english coming to our shores but refusing to fit in with their host nation’s culture!" Go crawl under the stone in whichever provincial backwater you crawled out of and let's draw this to a close!

PaulOctober 1st 2008.

I'd rather he didn't, I too work for a French business and actually live here.

EnglishmanOctober 1st 2008.

Burt, how is English best displayed by celebrating a myriad of cultures?? My England is not-multicultural, it is merely being turned into a multicultural sess-pit by non-english coming to our shores but refusing to fit in with their host nation’s culture – instead insisting on bringing their culture with them, then complaining when we don’t promote it for them. I’m a follower of the ‘When in Rome’ mentality (which includes my fellow Englishmen when settling abroad before the PC crowd jump in). Alas part of the fault sits in the lap of the spineless idiots that run our authorities that simply pander to these cultures in the foolish guise of equality and fairness, and the brainwashing that has been done to make anyone that is proud to be English be branded a fascist and or racist. Furthermore, whilst I am sure some St Georges day celebrations did attract ‘idiots’, no more than the other ‘celebration’______ no doubt my free opinion brands me a racist, facist bigot!

EnglishmanOctober 1st 2008.

Paul if you think that quote is actually saying that 'such people' should not have festivals then there is no point in my striving to have an intelligent conversation with what is clearly in unarmed man. And Aeron, I am not Jingoistic.

Non-foolish white Caucasian maleOctober 1st 2008.

Right pair of idiots on here. These festivals are food and drink, comedy, music, science and literature. I don't feel excluded from these and none are specific to any one religious group or sexuality. And there was a St George's Day celebration but sadly as an Englishman I was ashamed to find as well as lovely old folks in pubs across the city there were the usual violent pissed idiots.

AeronOctober 1st 2008.

Could you perhaps spend an average of 30 days in France a month?

EnglishmanOctober 1st 2008.

Anonymous. I have not said that 'such people' should not hold festivals. Nor have I said 'such people' should not be able to express themselves. You are simply shooting me down for having a grounded opinion.

GaryOctober 1st 2008.

Why is that Aeron? You have an issue with Free-Speech?

AnonymousOctober 1st 2008.

MFDF actually starts on Friday, 3rd Oct

AeronOctober 1st 2008.

No, Gary. I have an issue with jingoism.

PaulOctober 1st 2008.

What you are implying Englishman with your Roman analogy is that Englishmen integrate well with their local surroudings when abroad. What I am saying is that this is often not the case. If that's not what you meant you need to review what you've written or perhaps you've misunderstood what When in Rome [...] means?Celtic Hero - where do you get my apparent hatred from? I am an extremely proud Englishman but not one of the sentimental, romantic types of Englishmen who feels that he needs to assert his Englishness by eating roast beef and listening to Elgar (no doubt). And as for what I mentioned about scots etc celebrating to reinforce their national IDs, it's a fair, reasoned point of view.

Burt CodeineOctober 1st 2008.

Surely celebrating myriad cultures/festivals is in fact celebrating Britishness/Englishness...what else would we celebrate? We are a huge geometric lazy susan 'teething' the best bits from the World Wide Wok.Anyway, I've seen some of those 'proud to be english' thingeys on the internet and they're even infiltrating the likes of facebook...not particularly pleasant.

AnonymousOctober 1st 2008.

Didnt say you were racist. Didnt mention 'positive racism'. Didnt say anything about 'multi-cultural class'. In fact the only person to have brought these things up is you. And that is my point. The article was about bad planning of manchester events, albeit instantly hijacked by a moronic comment which opened the ranting. Relevence, or lack of it, folks, is what I am trying to point out here.

EnglishmanOctober 1st 2008.

There is a world of difference between respecting and adhering to the culture of your host nation and conforming to some bad stereotype. The problems stem from people landing to live in Britain, not speaking english, not conforming to British cultures and laws but expecting Britons to fit in around them. Oh and I work for a French business, and spend on average 4 days per month in France.

EnglishmanOctober 1st 2008.

Anonymous. Read how this thread has developed. The issues don't stem from 60 years ago. The issues stem from the last 10 years. The 'multiculuralisation' problem is on a massive inflationary spiral. We have had more 'cultural' change in the last 5 years than we saw in the first 50 years after the war. It isn't about closing our borders - it is about insisting that those who come to Britain do so because they want to live in Britain, to join the British people and themselves become, at least in part, British. The issue is that a huge number of immigrants in that last 10 years have no desire to do so, and worse still, expect Britain to bend-over backwards and change our way of life in the ways they won't. It may well be Paretos Law, but the minority spoil it for the majority. Alas, delusional leaders in the Council, especially in Manchester, are stupid enough to pander to this notion of equality and actively promote racism - just qualifying it as 'positive'.

ChickOctober 1st 2008.

Above poster; could not have put it better myself. When was the last time this city celebrated St. George's Day Sir Richard? Thought so.

Celtic HeroOctober 1st 2008.

Paul, you are displaying such utter ignorance. Scots, Irish and Welsh don't celebrate our national days because of past repression from the English? We are just proud of who we are, and our heritage. Something the English seem to be bizarrely lacking. If you are indeed English yourself, your comments are verging on traitorous. Why do you have such apparent hatred for your own kind? I’m Scottish and damned proud. We didn’t like the English invading, nor the Romans. We feel just the same way about any other body of people coming to rule our great land and imposing their beliefs and cultures on us.

EditorialOctober 1st 2008.

The writer who wrote this was as usual to full of food and the wrong sort of drink to think straight. The festival actually launches tomorrow eve with a bash in a teepee in Spinningfield - ooohh eerr mam.

PaulOctober 1st 2008.

You twist words worse than the Daily Mail. Did I say "free for all"? Did I say "no need to fit in"? I don't support a free for all, and I certainly think people need to fit in, but that doesn't necessarily mean that everyone who comes here from different cultures needs to start dressing like they've just stepped out of an episode of Heartbeat. It's certainly not farcical. Furthermore the analogy of moving into my house is ridiculous and whatsmore, exactly how many French people have you met? Or did you just read that in some red top? Your arguments are crass, crap and most probably offensive to a lot of readers on this site.

PaulOctober 1st 2008.

Ref the When in Rome theory: Ask the French, they'll tell you it doesn't work. They have a different model of multiculturalism that places greater emphasis on integration, one which has led to far more problems and alienation which we see in our own country. The French are quite envious of our model. So much for when in Rome. Why can you not accept that people should be free to come here to make a life in our country, without disregarding their own heritage and culture? (And before you start banging on about illegal immigrants and people who abuse the system - such people annoy me as much as you I'm sure and they are by no means representative of all the ethnic communities that live here).

EnglishmanOctober 1st 2008.

Oh narrow-minded Anonymous - that is merely THIS week's five festivals. Try taking a look at the full years festival list, ideally before calling people idiots. You might also try reading posts before displaying your own idiocy in commenting erroneously!

EnglishmanOctober 1st 2008.

May Allah himself strike me down for letting a discussion develop. How overly English (and therefore racist) of me to allow thought processes to gestate. I will sign up to 'multi-cultural' class to have this non-positive racist behaviour quashed and learn that all comments must support positive racism.

AnonymousOctober 1st 2008.

Englishman, your grievances are irrelevent to this artical. Im afraid for you that regardless of current immigrants this country is multi cultural mainly due to politicians actively recruiting immigrants after WW2 to help rebuild the country. Are you saying that descendants of these people should now not be allowed to celebrate their heritage having lived and worked here for half a century and undoubtedly contributing to the overall prospertity the UK? If you want more white traditional festivals then fine, but go out and bloody organise them instead of attacking others. It is this attitude that makes it difficult for people not to think you are just a bigot. This article is not a soap box for you to air greivances about current immigration policy. And if you simply dont like different types of people perhaps Manchester just isnt for you, maybe some back-water somewhere?

EnglishmanOctober 1st 2008.

Bingo, I suspect your comments are directed at me (perhaps you didn’t’ pay attention to reading class?). But the comments are not xenophobic. They do not express any form of fear of other nations, quite the opposite. I love interacting with other nationalities. I just don’t like to see my country being dragged down by non-English coming to England but not to live in and add to England, instead leeching from England and insisting England fall in line with their beliefs/cultures/lives rather than the other way around. I will reiterate again, it is Pareto’s Law – but this minority that makes demands and even threaten/injure/terrorise members of their host nation simply for being the host nation is wrong – in my opinion. As for the historical breakdown of our land, you are right, over the centuries we have been invaded and as a result have differing legacy ‘blood’ – but aside from the fact that Britons at the time had the balls to fight rather than just accept, the changes were effected century by century, not year by year. It is also our surrendering acceptance that is causing us problems. Councils promoting non-English festivals (which is fine – I have no issue with in the slightest), but doing so at the expense of supporting indigenous Britons and refusing to acknowledge English-ness. Councils displaying a multitude of nations flags on their ‘special’ days, but banning the flying of OUR national flag through fear of offending non-Britons. Or removing elements of Christmas so as not to offend those that have chosen to come to a nation that celebrates Christmas, but don’t celebrate Christmas and get offended because we do. Or removing generations-old children’s stories because they mention pigs, or cows so as not to offend those that have chosen to come to a nation that doesn’t revere certain farm-yard animals. Finally, you will notice I have not once become vitriolic, nor personally insulting to anyone who shares a different opinion to mine – yet I have been referred to as ignorant, stupid, idiotic, etc…… and I am the evil one?? I am the one that should be kicked out of MY country?? How ironic….

Bingo BagginsOctober 1st 2008.

What's that, the town hall not messing up when it comes to planning permission? Never thought i'd see the day they admitted that, kinda explains the a lot though doesn't it ;)

Bernard ManningOctober 1st 2008.

My dog was born in a stable. Doesn't make it a horse.

AnonymousOctober 1st 2008.

Englishman, congratulations on not personally attacking people. Such restraint obviously proves your comments true. Article: too many festivals in Manchester distract from one another. I say again, RELEVENCE???!!! Predictably your comments have drawn tub thumpers who will applaud anything along the lines of "All these darkies and their voodoo..". I do look forward to future articles on this site. Perhaps an article on wildlife in the city will prompt an equally objective and grounded lecture on the scourge of muslim peadophiile pigeons nesting in piccadilly gardens plotting against the white man. Do you not think you should be putting your dubious opinions in letters to the daily sun rather than a website about events in Manchester. In short, mate, this web site is not a political soap box or an Alf Garnett appreciation society.

EnglishmanOctober 1st 2008.

Paul, that’ll be what I meant by “(which includes my fellow Englishmen when settling abroad before the PC crowd jump in).” Again, perhaps reading before replying would be a good move, and certainly join anonymous in reading before calling other people ignorant when in reality you are merely displaying your own ignorance. I am pleased your opinion is that it is England’s ‘multiculturalism’ that makes Britain, great. I don’t share that opinion. Nor do I share your opinion that multiculturalism is a great strength of Manchester. I DO think Britain is becoming a cess-pit. I am not for one second wholly blaming immigrants and non-english cultures – but along with lackadaisical governmental leadership, they do take a fair proportion of the blame and abhor the way that so many English are dismissive and denigrating of their own culture and country. As for St Georges Day, this year I had 8 friends round for a Roast Beef dinner before going for a walk ending up in a local country pub where we met other friends and had a thoroughly enjoyable day thank you.

AnonymousOctober 1st 2008.

hmmmm. the festivals being Food and Drink Festival, In the City (music) Convention, Science, Literature and Comedy festivals. Yes these are obviously anti able bodied white english males. Idiot.

EnglishmanOctober 1st 2008.

I will never accept a 'free-for-all', "come make a life in England but don't feel the need to fit in" attitude. Its farcical and is the root cause of many of this once great nation. Would you be happy for me to come and move into your house - not have any regard for you and live my own life as I see fit? As for the French - I have never come across Frenchman that is envious of England in that way. They, as majority of the rest of the world do, see us as a foolish free-meal ticket!

EnglishmanOctober 1st 2008.

Paul - you need to re-read what I have said. I am a believer in 'when in Rome'. I detest people that go to a foreign country and insist on living their life with no regard for their host nation - whether that is non-english in England, or English in other countries. But you really are nit-picking and getting well off topic - at least you are not directly calling me fascist or bigotted now though. Out of interest - what part of English are you proud of, as you seem more turned on by the multi-culturalism than anything else?

EnglishwomanOctober 1st 2008.

I agree with my fellow English person above. What I'd like to know is where exactly were these St. George's Day 'celebrations' held in Manchester - apart from a few dodgy pubs that is?

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