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<b>Wednesday 23 April:</b> Crime down, samba band muted and Ferdinand unfazed

Published on April 23rd 2008.


CRIME has decreased in Manchester in the past 12 months according to Greater Manchester Police.New figures show that total crime up to the end of March 2008 went down by 9.8 per cent. This includes domestic burglary down 11.1 per cent and an increase of 4.4 per cent in the number of offenders brought to justice. Assistant Chief Constable Dave Thompson said: “We are committed to driving crime down and to making a difference to neighbourhoods across Greater Manchester. There is still work to do and we have further challenging targets for the next year.”

STUDENTS staged a protest on Oxford Road over what they feel is deteriorating standards at Manchester University. Police had difficulties taking control of the groups of protestors as they tried to force them back. The students have widely criticised the university for the wages they pay to lecturers such as Martin Amis.

THE SAMBA BANDS which have performed outside Marks & Spencer on Market Street for the last decade have been silenced by shopkeepers and residents. Manchester School of Samba and Sambangra are now looking for a new spot to entertain crowds on Saturdays.

BARCELONA is set to welcome over 10,000 manchester United fans for tonights Champions League match. Defender Rio Ferdinand is unfazed by the Catalan giants. He told ManUtd.com: “People talk about them being the best side in the tournament but I don’t know. If you look at the league table, they aren’t the best team in Spain and weren’t last season either.”

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23 comments so far, continue the conversation, write a comment.

sandraApril 23rd 2008.

Bigfish needs to chill. I didn't mind the music outside M&S as a passing shopper, but to hear it all day for the past decade, i'm sure it would've pissed me off too. Bring on the buskers and have something alternative.

Everybody in ManchesterApril 23rd 2008.

Bigfish, I'm a music teacher, I don't need you to tell me what makes a samba rhythm and I do understand what syncopation is (off the beat for anyone who's wondering). My argument is that there are some great musicians busking in Manchester but they're drowned out by the racket made by this lot. You could hear it from Piccadilly to the other end of Deansgate! And it doesn't take a good musician to repeat a rhythm hundreds of times even if it is a syncopated one.

ZumbinaApril 23rd 2008.

Seriously, some wise comments from 'everyone in Manchester'. I would love to take part in one of your music lessons as it sounds as though you obviously teach your students about musical diversity and emotional expression. As a music teacher myself working in a number of styles including percussion, I actively encourage my students to become part of a project or group (whatever the genre) to improve their own skills and most importantly to enjoy accessing music however they may choose to do so. I have taught community and professional percussion groups for over 12 years now, and one thing that has stood out for me if the unifying and connective quality of percussion and dance, whether at professional or community band standard. Yes, I can understand that repetitive music (of whatever genre) can be annoying for those who do not have an interest in that particular style, which is precisely the reason why the two drumming groups who use the spot most often have compromised and reduced their hours (and have ceased to play there following this ‘ban’). It is important, however, to remember that this IS about compromise, and not about 'stamping out' things that, as you claim, 'everyone in Manchester' dislikes. From the thousands of people who have thrown money and compliments in the direction of such bands, it seems that, actually, YOU are in the minority. But surely as a music teacher yourself, you will encourage students to say “in my opinion, that music is crap” rather than just throwing out indulgent comments like “The crap samba band who only know one rhythm and who've been performing it incessantly for a decade [which might I add is not the case]”, won’t you?Groups such as MSS and Sambangra (and many others) do not stop others playing there as they usually tend to play around lunch time and beyond. Any other buskers are more than welcome to arrive there first and play. As a member of the drumming community and having played in all of the percussion bands that have regularly busked in Manchester over the years, bands are generally very courteous and do not ‘play over’ people if they are in the spot outside M&S.It is clear to me, having been a member or both of these groups and a director of another percussion and dance collective, that music has a positive effect on the majority of the audience who experience it. Music is about unifying, enjoying, and expressing, not about dictating. Isn’t it interesting that drumming bands do such a terrible amount of damage to local shops, and yet M&S make no complaints whatsoever…Though I understand that there are some council/neighbour related issues about the noise levels, I can't help but feel that the issue has far transcended the actual problem and has turned into a crusade.PS: I would personally love to see how you'd go on 'repeating the same syncopated rhythm' for 10 hours in a Rio Carnival. I mean, you ARE a music teacher, right?

Everybody in ManchesterApril 23rd 2008.

Don't fear for the kids bigfish, they're in safe hands, don't you worry, and now that the rubbish samba lot have been silenced, their hearing's safe too!

Everybody in ManchesterApril 23rd 2008.

The crap samba band who only know one rhythm and who've been performing it incessantly for a decade, driving the entire city crazy on a Saturday have been silenced. Hopefully the "new spot" that the band finds is just North of Reykjavic.

DescartesApril 23rd 2008.

Aw you weren't that boring Bigfish, don't be so hard on yourself ;)

DescartesApril 23rd 2008.

I wish you'd all stop banging on about this

Simon TurnerApril 23rd 2008.

Samba probably sounds good on the beach in South America, outside Marks & Spencer is sounds horrible. But still better than the Courteeners.

BigfishApril 23rd 2008.

My last post on this subject Again - I can't believe that a teacher has just written the above. An absolute joke.

BigfishApril 23rd 2008.

I don't think anybody is saying that primary school kids couldn't bang drums etc. The first thing they do in music lessons at primary school is play percussion instruments.What makes these percussionists appealing is the way they syncopate their rhythms.It's not everyone's cup of tea - certainly not mine! - but they're good at it

Everybody in ManchesterApril 23rd 2008.

Come on guys, realise when you're being wound up!!!! My rant name is "Everybody in Manchester" for pity's sake!!! Look, we can all quote facts but here are some plain and simple 1) I'm a music teacher 2) Of course I encourage my kids to listen to , and play a variety of musical styles 3) I have no desire to play for ten hours at the Rio carnival, far too many beers and scantily clad women, I'd never stay in time 4) I appreciate the "unifying and connective quality of percussion and dance" 5) I rather like samba music 6) You've all got far too taken in by a teacher who was simply bored after finishing work at 2.30 and decided to be a bit inflammatory 7) You need to relax, take a leaf out of the Brazilian's book....... Oh and 8) that samba band were crap........ Lots of love, Everybody in Manchester xxx

Everybody in ManchesterApril 23rd 2008.

I'm sorry, but I must be missing something? Good musicians? Seriously? Hammering wildly at a barrel or shaking a biscuit tin full of gravel is something that I expect my primary school kids to be able to do!

My Ears HurtApril 23rd 2008.

What is everyone going on about?! That band were rubbish and wound all shoppers in Manchester up every Saturday for years. I'm glad they're gone.I'm not a Music Teacher or a racist by the way.

BigfishApril 23rd 2008.

They are good musicians an dcan plau more than one beat.But outside M&S is not the place for them. When shoppers and workers can't hear fire alarms/security alarms etc going off, then it becomes a bit of a problem. They had to be moved

BigfishApril 23rd 2008.

:-p

BigfishApril 23rd 2008.

Where's a tumble weed when you need one...

JoanApril 23rd 2008.

Both Manchester School of Samba and Sambangra play a range of rhythms. Judging by the crowds they attracted they are popular too.

BigfishApril 23rd 2008.

I can't believe a music teacher has actually said soem of those things.You've got to fear for our kids haven't you

ZumbinaApril 23rd 2008.

Apologies for the rediculously long message. It doesn't take well to 'return' spaces...

JoanApril 23rd 2008.

Facts: 1. Manchester School of Samba plays a range of rhythms including samba, samba-reggae, maracatu, afoxé, ciranda, and coco. These rhythms come from different parts of Brazil. They sounded different when I was in Brazil and they sound different in Manchester. 2. Sambangra mixes a range of Brazilian rhythms with both Indian beats and hip-hop. 3. Large numbers of primary school children have learnt to play some of these rhythms and can tell the difference. 4. 99.9% or more of music teachers can also tell the difference. 5. The situation regarding noise complaints is being resolved. There was an amicable meeting organized by the Council and CityCo where different viewpoints were properly and politely presented.

DescartesApril 23rd 2008.

Your not drumming any more, youuuurrrrrrrrrrr not drumming any more.

Everybody in ManchesterApril 23rd 2008.

Try telling that to the poor sods who work in the shops around there Joan!!! Let's have a range of buskers on that site!

yes i am a samba member and proud.April 23rd 2008.

'everyone in manchester' and those other comments who hate the samba, fair enough thats your opinion. However I think you should bear in mind that there is thousands of others who enjoy the music, and so you cant say you represent the whole of the city. MSS have played in big clubs, bars, festivals, weddings, charity events, corporate events... and they also are often in high demand to do workshops for schools, collegues, buisness outlets etc. the band have been making money, supporting causes and providing a could source of music for over 20 years. 'everybody in manchester' is clearly a judgemental individual who likes to spend hours winging about something they know little about.

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